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Sure, and if a US jet full of 200 Americans had been brought down due to the Obama policies, as the Russian plane was, we would be hearing all of the haters blaming Obama for that, and finding some other reason to praise their hero Putin.
Where do you get off elevating Putin to hero status? It's an absurd leap to make.
People are upset at 0bama for very good reasons. He allowed ISIL to invade Iraq, and he did nothing. Now that ISIL has created an Islamic Caliphate, our president has spent over a year and ISIL is still in Iraq and he won't even take out their headquarters buildings.
People are not looking at Putin as a hero, they wish our president was being more aggressive. The French are partnering with Putin, not because they like him, but because our president is viewed as weak, as an ineffectual and unreliable ally.
Putin is viewed as a KGB thug, a fascist, and a bully, but at least he is not afraid to call ISIL the enemy what it is and go to war with them. Our president is more concerned with politics and political correctness, hence the world acknowledging that 0bama has spent a year with little to show for it.
Reality is they do not want to die on any terms but their own, and yes, teaching them a lesson includes insuring they die on OUR terms..at the time WE set.
You still don't get it, do you? How do you believe you can intimidate a person that has 5 pounds of C$ taped to him and a detonator in his hand? What do you have that will "Teach" him a lesson? I would really like to know. What are you going to threaten him with?
This sounds very strange to me. How do they know it's Obama blocking them? Do they call him from their planes when they see a target?
Obviously you have never served in a leadership level within our military. Our military from the sergeants to their commanders, all know who ultimately sets the rules of engagement.
Yes innocents will die but to sit back and type on your keyboard with a cavalier manner that we need to kill civilians in a country that really has done nothing to us because some right wingers are scared of ISIS is absurd. I just love right wing solutions from people that have absolutely no skin in the game.
Have you been living under a rock for three years? You are not seriously going to sit there and claim you know nothing about what ISIL has done, and characterize this as just some right-wingers having an irrational view of ISIL?
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Once again you obviously learned nothing from Vietnam and Afghanistan, you win a war when you are able to win over the people and you don't bring them over when you kill innocent civilians. According to you we should have won Vietnam 10 times over because we didn't bomb "nicely", how did that work out?
Tough talk from someone that isn't in any danger, maybe you wouldn't feel quite the same way if you were in their position.
Hitler would have loved an entire country of Americans who think like you do. Every country Hitler invade had civilians, who he imprisoned, tortured, put on cattle cars to be shipped to concentration camps, or at a minimum he drafted their men into his army, and pillaged their valuables.
According to you, we would not be able to engage Hitler for fear of civilian casualties, and angering the people Hitler enslaved.
Obviously you have never served in a leadership level within our military. Our military from the sergeants to their commanders, all know who ultimately sets the rules of engagement.
It can be argued that Obama's rules of engagement killed more of our soldiers in his first 4 years than Bush did in all his years as president.
Obviously you have never served in a leadership level within our military. Our military from the sergeants to their commanders, all know who ultimately sets the rules of engagement.
Yes. Basically lawyers. And that's okay, because we'll need them if we get court-martialed for war crimes.
Obama has not set any policy that other presidents have not set before him. If the current policy requires the military to target combatants as accurately as the technology permits, that's no different from what we've done at least since the court-martial of Lt William Calley.
Certainly Obama's policies have not prevented drone strikes that have continued to kill civilians. Nor did his policies prevent air strikes that destroyed at least one ISIS headquarters. That's all a matter of having intelligence good enough to identify them.
In previous wars we simply did not have accurate enough technology for the question to be very seriously considerable. In Vietnam, for instance, it statistically took 21 F-4 bomb missions to destroy one target. I did bomb damage assessment of numerous B-52 strikes--500 bombs dropped--that totally missed their intended targets. Some areas of North Vietnam looked like the dark side of the moon as a result.
But my career spanned long enough to cover the Gulf War and Bosnia, and by then the technology had advanced to the point that we really could put a weapon right through a specific window of a specific building, or through a specific doorway or down a specific chimney. In Vietnam, we were looking at huge masses of 50-foot craters; in Baghdad we were looking at holes in roofs the size of garbage can lids.
At that point, it's not too much to expect us to improve out intelligence to know which is the right window or doorway or chimney.
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It can be argued that Obama's rules of engagement killed more of our soldiers in his first 4 years than Bush did in all his years as president.
Not argued with any evidence.
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