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Old 11-27-2015, 09:29 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Well when you get down to it that is EXACTLY what guns are for, to kill SOMETHING.
**Yeah, a small percentage of guns are for target shooting**

Although I consider myself "Liberal" I am NOT in favor of gun bans.

My argument isnt for gun bans, its more for the regulation of them.
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Old 11-27-2015, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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Funny how Democrats like King Hillary refuse to use the term "Islamic extemists" and instead prefer the term "jihadists" ... when in reality "jihadist" is a term which encompasses a much vaster array of the Muslim population. Muslims have been telling us Jihadist, does not necessarily mean holy war, The Arabic word "jihad" is often translated as "holy war," but in a purely linguistic sense, the word " jihad" means struggling or striving.

So what is it?

"Peaceful" Muslim to me means the non practicing Muslims who don't take their holy book literally.

Re: Bolded text - Same here. What I find scary is that those who are not taking their holy book literally could easily be converted by said holy book should they decide to take it literally in the future. I would feel much better if Muslims would denounce the passages in the Koran that tell them to kill infidels (anyone who doesn't believe as they do).
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Old 11-27-2015, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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You are not advised to judge all gun owners. You are advised to judge a gun as a weapon,created for the sole purpose of ending the life of a living creature.
Let's say for the sake of argument you are correct. If law abiding citizens are disarmed (and yes this is the goal of progressives) will criminals, and the government also be disarmed? How will disarming law abiding citizens make us safer?

Can you explain how more people are murdered with fists and feet than with rifles? Should we outlaw fists and feet as well?

Guns are tools, which can be used for good and/or bad. You should fear an armed government far more than an armed citizenry.
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Old 11-27-2015, 09:52 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Like Christianity, I am sure Islam comes in many flavors, some taking the Koran more literally than others. I have a good friend who comes from an Islamic background and they are completely normal people and even drink alcohol, something fundamentalist Muslims cannot do. To fundamentalist Christians who take the Bible literally, Islam can not be a peaceful religion because it can't be when you take the Koran literally. They view the Koran in the same way as they view the Bible. Therefore, peaceful Muslims are not true Muslims. However, remember that to them, a Christian that supports marriage equality, evolution, and separation of church and state isn't a true Christian either.
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Old 11-27-2015, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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1) We are advised to not judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun-owners by the actions of a few lunatics.
Come on bmw, there's sort of an unwritten rule that if you are going to post something and it's not your words that you attribute it. What you posted is an old facebook viral meme that's been making it's rounds since at least Jan 2014 and it's already been discussed here, here, here and here

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Old 11-27-2015, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Let's say for the sake of argument you are correct. If law abiding citizens are disarmed (and yes this is the goal of progressives) will criminals, and the government also be disarmed? How will disarming law abiding citizens make us safer?

Can you explain how more people are murdered with fists and feet than with rifles? Should we outlaw fists and feet as well?

Guns are tools, which can be used for good and/or bad. You should fear an armed government far more than an armed citizenry.
This. Though I'm a liberal in many respects, I never understood how harsher gun control laws on thoroughly background-checked, law abiding people would stem gun violence.
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Old 11-27-2015, 10:11 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Let's say for the sake of argument you are correct. If law abiding citizens are disarmed (and yes this is the goal of progressives) will criminals, and the government also be disarmed? How will disarming law abiding citizens make us safer?

Can you explain how more people are murdered with fists and feet than with rifles? Should we outlaw fists and feet as well?

Guns are tools, which can be used for good and/or bad. You should fear an armed government far more than an armed citizenry.
Im not a progressive, Im a liberal, and even so, i would not say what you claim is a goal of progressive, so you are arguing on a false premise.

further more, 32,000 people killed with guns, i would say in regards to your question, there would be a lot more people who are alive if we didnt have guns, but again, that is a response to your question, not my opinion on whether or not we should ban them.

your fist and feet argument is a fallacy as well, neither fist of feet are meant to kill, although i doubt the same number of people are killed by being trampled or beat up in the US as being shot(negating the smaller of the 2 points). In fact, i would think the number of people trampled to deaht in the US is in the low hundreds, if not less
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Old 11-27-2015, 10:14 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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This. Though I'm a liberal in many respects, I never understood how harsher gun control laws on thoroughly background-checked, law abiding people would stem gun violence.
You should check out some of the studies of where guns used in crimes come from. Many of them are bought in private sales(no background check) and then sold.

So making background checks universal would make us safer.
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Old 11-27-2015, 10:43 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Read her facebook page. I define rabid christian as anyone for whom a majority of their posts are quoting scripture, or discussing their religion.

What would you consider "rabid christian"?
Didn't know she had a FB page.

So, one who loves the Lord and loves scripture must be a "rabid Christian," then. I thought that's what we were supposed to do, as Christians. Ha! I guess I'm rabid, then!
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Old 11-27-2015, 10:48 AM
 
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She was raised a Muslim. I must have missed the part where she said she was a Christian, and a "rabid Christian at that." What is a "rabid Christian?"
Someone who at any moment could break out into a random act of love or charity?
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