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Old 11-27-2015, 07:17 AM
 
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Our friend the Sun influences the weather patterns more than anything and yet gets overlooked. I know, maybe our Co2 emissions is causing the sun to heat up?
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Old 11-27-2015, 07:18 AM
 
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Our friend the Sun influences the weather patterns more than anything and yet gets overlooked. I know, maybe our Co2 emissions is causing the sun to heat up?
You do know the sun is in fact taken into consideration by those studying climate change....right?

Or did you think that somehow scientists just missed the biggest object in our solar system? I mean...its not like misplacing your keys.
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Old 11-27-2015, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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austailia does what austrailia does...


"There's a long history of severe bush fires in Australia. When the fires get out of control and threaten the capital cities, you'll certainly get to see the news around the world. In February 1983 more than 100 bush fires damaged more than one million hectares of bushland in South Australia and Victoria. 76 people died in the fires. This series of fires are known as the "Ash Wednesday", a sad event caused by the severe Australian climate conditions"

Also 2012-2013 and 2014-15 were very bad seasons, record heat and decades of drought.


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Old 11-27-2015, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Our friend the Sun influences the weather patterns more than anything and yet gets overlooked. I know, maybe our Co2 emissions is causing the sun to heat up?
You are right the suns tilt effects temperature but over the milennia, not years.
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Old 11-27-2015, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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The year 2015 is going down as the warmest on record as well.

I wonder what goes on inside the mind of conservative Americans when they hear this. How can this one isolated group (from the rest of the Western world) stubbornly cling to the idea that climate change is a myth?

If that is not a sterling example of how propaganda can influence the ignorant, what better example is there?
No; it's a demonstration that within the psyche of every self-proclaimed "activist progressive", there dwells a closeted Fascist determined to impose his/her thinking on the rest of us, and to silence all opposition. The "propaganda" arises from the mindset of those within the aforementioned clique, who have been caught manipulating their "facts" on numerous occasions, and have become increasingly vocal and strident as it's become more apparent that their plans for other peoples' lives have been "voted down" via the open exchange of opinion.

Honest scientific inquiry will continue; it's only the failure of the attempt to create a larger and more-powerful climatic bureaucracy that has the would-be power brokers upset.

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Old 11-27-2015, 07:36 AM
 
Location: NJ
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The warmest October on Record, 104 Degrees in Sydney, going to be a bad fire season in Australia and they are in the middle of a drought that has lasted decades:


The fire, in the south of Western Australia, began last weekend after lightning struck about 12 miles north of the township of Esperance. It was flaring six days later after burning through 580 square miles of farmland, fanned by temperatures above 100 degrees and bursts of wind gusting at more than 50 miles an hour.
The combination of record heat and very dry conditions — October was the hottest month in Australia ever after its third-driest September — is prompting some officials to predict an especially intense fire season, which started early this year.




http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/21/wo...peratures.html

Warmest on record???? really


Austrailian Government Bureau of meteorology......

New south Wales had a temp of 122 F/49.7 C in January 1960. sydney is in NSW.


Rainfall and Temperature Extremes
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Old 11-27-2015, 07:46 AM
 
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Warmest on record???? really


Austrailian Government Bureau of meteorology......

New south Wales had a temp of 122 F/49.7 C in January 1960. sydney is in NSW.


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Do you understand the difference between hottest month, and hottest day?
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Old 11-27-2015, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The year 2015 is going down as the warmest on record as well.

I wonder what goes on inside the mind of conservative Americans when they hear this. How can this one isolated group (from the rest of the Western world) stubbornly cling to the idea that climate change is a myth?

If that is not a sterling example of how propaganda can influence the ignorant, what better example is there?
what world are you on?? where has any conservative, or any other said that climate change is a myth??

actually 99% of the scientists and 99% of people understand that climate change always happens,,and the earth has warmed and cooled many,many,many, many times...all naturally


climate change is not a hoax or a myth.....but..."man-made" climate change is a hoax

most rational people understand that climate change always happens,,and the earth has warmed and cooled many,many,many, many times...all naturally

1. science shows the climate changes naturally

2. science shows that climate change is natural with co2, methane, water vapor, sun cycles, rotation of the earth, earths core activity, and weather patterns all having play in it

3. science shows that the earth has warmed and cooled many, many times, with the cycles be for the most part regular....but never EXACTLY the same

4. science shows that the co2 has been much, much higher...even in cooler times

5. science (and botany ) shows that plants grow much better in higher co2....1200ppm is optimum

6. science shows that a warmer climate is not a desert climate, but a tropical wetter climate...

7. science shows that warming will be better for humans, as we will have longer growing seasons, with less need for irrigation

8 science (and botany) shows that if co2 goes below 200ppm plants stop growing

9. science shows that humans may have a SMALL part, in climate change (less than 10%)...therefore making the fascist mantra of ''man-made/man-caused"" a LIE

10. common sense shows that a carbon tax, will NOT reduce anyones carbon footprint, but will make the fascist liberal rich, richer


11. SCIENCE says that the climate changes NATURALLY....why do the big ego liberals think that man HAS TO BE the cause....especially when NOT ONE SCIENTIST has proven it to be man made/man caused


12. everyone knows (and its scientifically proven) that climate has changed many, many times

13.. and yet NOT ONE scientist has proven MANMADE global warming...science does show.. the globe evolves. The global environment changes..periodically...there have been WARMER TIMES..there have been cooler times..there have been times when C02 was MUCH, MUCH higher


14. guess what our co2 levels are currently around 380-390ppm.... co2 levels were over 700 ppm 20 thousand years ago....so what's the big deal


15. science shows us that plants would grow much better, and use less water if the co2 was HIGHER... .guess what, by science no less...the ideal co2 ppm for most plants is....900-1500 ppm.......


15a. Science shows plants exposed to elevated CO2 concentrations are likely to lose less water via transpiration, as they tend to display lower stomatal conductance.

15b. Science shows the amount of carbon gained per unit of water lost per unit leaf area - or water-use efficiency - should increase dramatically as the air's CO2 content rises.

15c. Scinece and the study of science shows In the study of Serraj et al. (1999), soybeans grown at 700 ppm CO2 displayed 10 to 25% reductions in total water loss while simultaneously exhibiting increases in dry weight of as much as 33%. So, elevated CO2 significantly increased the water-use efficiencies of the studied plants.

15d. science shows, that the typical outdoor air we breathe contains 0.03 - 0.045% (300 - 450 ppm) CO2. Research (SCIENCE) demonstrates that optimum growth and production for most plants occur between 1200 - 1500 ppm CO2.

15e. Plants under effective CO2 enrichment and management display thicker, lush green leaves, an abundance of fragrant fruit and flowers, and stronger, more vigorous roots. (this is why companys and governments SELL CO2 generators for greenhouses)


15f. science shows it is clear that as the CO2 content of the air continues to rise, nearly all of earth's agricultural species will respond favorably by exhibiting increases in water-use efficiency... which means, one can expect global agricultural productivity to rise in tandem with future increases in the atmosphere's CO2 concentration.

so more co2 is actually GREENER...its not theory, its scientific fact

16. science shows that humans use oxygen and expel (exhale) co2

17. science shows that greenery (plantlife) uses co2 and expels o2

18. science shows us that ANTARTICA was once a lush fertile land, not covered in ice

19. science shows us that Greenland was once a green lush fertile land, not covered with ice, in fact tropical like

20.. science shows us that GLACIERS created many of the geographical features that we look at today (ie Long Island was made by the lower reaching of glaciers, the great lakes were created by glaciers, the grand canyon was created by glacial melting)


and finally ....common sense states that as the earths population expands, so does the need for more plantlife...to keep our oxygen levels up.......yet the global warming liberals only want to talk about car/industry exhaust; man created co2,.... and how to tax it


so endeth the lesson

the biggest thing is why do the fascist brown shirt liberals deny science, and the fact , that the truth is it is a natural occurance , and that NOTHING WE DO will change or speedup, or slow, or stop the natural climate change







so the real question is do you believe the brown shirt fascist mantra of its man-made...when
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Old 11-27-2015, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Well as the climate warms we seem to see more of these extended drought and severe fires same as was experienced in California, keep hearing the word "record setting".
actually as the climate warms, it will get wetter, more tropical
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Old 11-27-2015, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Actually, FWIW, I'm a conservative, but I'm not denying the possibility of climate change, or even of climate change due to human activity; my quarrel is with those who immediately make the leap to a "rationale" whereby the change immediately has to be addressed by new layers of regulation and bureaucracy which, not by accident, would transfer large amounts of power, and likely a fair amount of wealth to those who are most in support of the theory of man-made climate change.

And of course, that goal can only be accomplished by some supra-national organization such as the United Nations -- just the sort of power-circus the "one world" do-gooders have to have in order to get their way; and all this before we've even determined if, or how any possible damage can be undone.
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