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Old 11-25-2015, 06:06 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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Old 11-25-2015, 06:15 AM
 
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Def a real good question there tho; IF followed though using Dylann Roof, that could blow back on hood rats doing drive by shootings and "BLM" would wig out real fast.
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Old 11-25-2015, 06:28 AM
 
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Terrorism, as I understand the term, means asymmetrical violence by a small or smaller ideological group against a majority or larger group.

Some examples would be the IRA attacking the Crown via bombs, the Red Army Faction in Germany attacking the Federal government via bombings, kidnappings, and murder, and the Red Brigades in Italy doing much the same thing. Others are the SLA, the Weatherman, the FLQ in Canada, the PLO, Action Direct, etc, etc, etc, and so on.

Each of these groups were organized with an ideology and a structure and acted against larger political entities. They sought or seek to invoke fear to 1) Get attention to their cause and 2) Provoke the larger political entity to accede to their demands, to some extent or another, via public pressure (fear).

Dylann Roof, as loathsome as he is, does not fit this description. He represents no organization. He may be cheered on by some fringe groups, but they did not send him. He had no realistic goal to achieve. He acted on his own and was motivated by a lethal combination of bigotry and derangement. In short, he is many things, but not a terrorist.

Terrorism is something fairly specific. We should not stretch the meaning to encompass other horrid things.
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Old 11-25-2015, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Ex-Bostonian in Woodstock, GA
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Both were horrible but the main difference besides the number of casualties is in Charleston, you had a psycho loner who killed for apparently racial reasons and in Paris you have an organized group that carried out the attacks for religious reasons and they have the backing of a state and millions of supporters.
Although the Charleston shooter didn't have the backing of a "state", with the population of the U.S at roughly 320 Million, I'm sure a few of those millions supported what he did (if not openly, definitely secretly)
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Old 11-25-2015, 06:37 AM
 
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Easy Answer.
  • Guy in Charleston was not Muslim and he killed Black people. = Hate Crime
IF
  • Guy in Charleston was Brown & Muslim, yelled Allah Akbar & killed same # of White people = Terrorism

This is what MSM & Political elite do. They love to toss out these labels to keep people divided, mad at each other, scared, and most importantly distracted from what's really important. This is how they stay in power. Unfortunately people fall for it time after time.
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Old 11-25-2015, 06:43 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Default You can't really be serious

You can't see the difference between an entire 'religion,' Islam, bent on destroying Western culture and establishing a Worldwide caliphate, and killing all "infidels" (non-Muslims) in accordance with the doctrines of their faith, as taught in their Qu'ran, and the act of one lunatic who may believe in "white supremicism," but is not affiliated with any such group, and leads no such movement? Really?
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Old 11-25-2015, 06:46 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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A terrorist act is a terrorist act, it is unfortunate that much of the media tries to pretend like it isn't terrorism when it happens in the US if it isn't being done by an Islamic Extremist. Had Dylann Roof been Muslim, this would have been a massive story that would have thrown every Muslim in the country under the bus blaming them for his action.

Terrorism is just War. Where you are the target of the attack. Put into a battle you had no idea you were the enemy.
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Old 11-25-2015, 06:53 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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A terrorist act is a terrorist act, it is unfortunate that much of the media tries to pretend like it isn't terrorism when it happens in the US if it isn't being done by an Islamic Extremist. Had Dylann Roof been Muslim, this would have been a massive story that would have thrown every Muslim in the country under the bus blaming them for his action.
But, he wasn't a Muslim. He was a deranged lunatic, acting on his own. Had he been Muslim and affiliated with ISIS or any other Muslim group, yes, you are right. But we cannot call every murder, mass killing, or acts of violence, "terrorism." "Terrorism" has a meaning. A mass murderer is not necessarily a terrorist.

It almost sounds like the OP is trying to diminish, or play down the threat posed by Islamic terrorism. "Nothing to see here, move along."

There aren't thousands of "Dylan Roof's" out there, plotting and planning and conspiring to kill all who don't fit their ideology.
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Old 11-25-2015, 06:55 AM
 
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But, he wasn't a Muslim. He was a deranged lunatic, acting on his own. Had he been Muslim and affiliated with ISIS or any other Muslim group, yes, you are right. But we cannot call every murder, mass killing, or acts of violence, "terrorism." "Terrorism" has a meaning. A mass murderer is not necessarily a terrorist.

It almost sounds like the OP is trying to diminish, or play down the threat posed by Islamic terrorism. "Nothing to see here, move along."
Well yea, that is what the OP was trying to do. And clearly he or she failed.

There are lots of bad things in this world. Terrorism and Racial Murders are but two.
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Old 11-25-2015, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Japan
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I agree, I view white supremacists or ANY racial group who kill based on racism with a much higher level of contempt than I do terrorists.
I was being sarcastic. But given that your view is the mainstream opinion it is pretty odd for the OP to be upset over the lack of a terrorism label for Roof.
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