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Old 11-25-2015, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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...and investors owned tobacco companies, that doesn't mean they had a say in their decisions.

I owned Exxon stock at one time and there were many shareholder proposals that were voted down, the trustees on the board of directors are an impenetrable object but that is changing. Exxon and some of the other American compnaies are way behind most of their foreign competitors when it comes to climate change.


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Sharp differences are emerging between U.S. oil majors and their European brethren on the issue of climate change, and Wednesday's shareholder meetings at ExxonMobil and Chevron underscored the divergence as they fought all climate-related shareholder proposals and came away largely victorious.
The stiff resistance from Exxon and Chevron came in contrast to recent annual meetings at BP, Royal Dutch Shell and Statoil, where nearly identical climate-related shareholder resolutions passed
almost unanimously after the three companies opted to support the measure instead of oppose it.
Exxon, Chevron Reject Shareholder Measures on Climate Change Again | InsideClimate News

 
Old 11-25-2015, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Northeast
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...and investors owned tobacco companies, that doesn't mean they had a say in their decisions.

I owned Exxon stock at one time and there were many shareholder proposals that were voted down, the trustees on the board of directors are an impenetrable object but that is changing. Exxon and some of the other American compnaies are way behind most of their foreign competitors when it comes to climate change.



Exxon, Chevron Reject Shareholder Measures on Climate Change Again | InsideClimate News
Guess that ends that.............
 
Old 11-25-2015, 12:38 PM
 
Location: NJ
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A new study finds that groups funded by the energy industry heavyweights use similar messages.

One of the biggest studies to examine how climate change became controversial points to the unified dialogue coming out of the hundreds of individuals and organizations funded by energy heavyweights Exxon Mobil Corp. and the Koch brothers.

The study, published Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, reviewed 20 years of data starting in 1993 to show that climate change-denying groups and individuals who received money from Exxon Mobil and the Koch brothers began to unify their messages in 2007, amplifying supposed uncertainty surrounding the issue.

“They were writing things that were different from the contrarian organizations that did not receive corporate funding,” Yale University sociologist and lead study author Justin Farrell said. “Over time, it brought them into a more cohesive social movement and aligned their messages.”


How Exxon Mobil And Koch Brothers Created A Culture Of Climate Doubt

Corporations and the super rich good, earth bad while we all get cancer and our environment gets worse each passing day.
Common sense trumps the false and misleading science the government and their grant sucklings put out. communications is critical to conveying information and the government has failed miserably to convince most that the world is about to end. A giant red flag is saying 'the science is settled'!!!!! the feds use fear and threats after running out of argument, another red flag that nefarious intent is afoot and 'science' has been weaponized to forward a political agenda. We have to pass it to see what's in it, mind set does't work for thinking people.
 
Old 11-25-2015, 12:40 PM
 
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Exxon and some of the other American compnaies are way behind most of their foreign competitors when it comes to climate change.
European energy companies like Shell and BP have heavy investments in renewable energy and carbon credits as do the major banks.

They try and portray themselves as being environmentally conscious but the fact of the mater is they are looking at the enormous profits that can be made through legislation. These companies don't care if they are simply passing taxes onto the consumer and putting a chunk of change in their pocket while doing it, the only thing they care about is those taxes are being equally applied to all companies hence the reason they need Exxon aboard.
 
Old 11-25-2015, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Northeast
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Originally Posted by Kracer View Post
Common sense trumps the false and misleading science the government and their grant sucklings put out. communications is critical to conveying information and the government has failed miserably to convince most that the world is about to end. A giant red flag is saying 'the science is settled'!!!!! the feds use fear and threats after running out of argument, another red flag that nefarious intent is afoot and 'science' has been weaponized to forward a political agenda. We have to pass it to see what's in it, mind set does't work for thinking people.
But these corporation and super rich dudes like the Koch brothers are just looking out for the good of the people and of course the environment......
 
Old 11-25-2015, 12:56 PM
 
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Guess that ends that.............
If you think these companies have your best interest in mind think otherwise, you have no clue what a juggernaut carbon pricing could become where pieces of paper are being traded with no intrinsic value.

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But these corporation and super rich dudes like the Koch brothers....
Do you support carbon trading? You do understand that the heavy hitters make Koch look like paupers?
 
Old 11-25-2015, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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Originally Posted by TruthBTold2U View Post
A new study finds that groups funded by the energy industry heavyweights use similar messages.

One of the biggest studies to examine how climate change became controversial points to the unified dialogue coming out of the hundreds of individuals and organizations funded by energy heavyweights Exxon Mobil Corp. and the Koch brothers.

The study, published Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, reviewed 20 years of data starting in 1993 to show that climate change-denying groups and individuals who received money from Exxon Mobil and the Koch brothers began to unify their messages in 2007, amplifying supposed uncertainty surrounding the issue.

“They were writing things that were different from the contrarian organizations that did not receive corporate funding,” Yale University sociologist and lead study author Justin Farrell said. “Over time, it brought them into a more cohesive social movement and aligned their messages.”


How Exxon Mobil And Koch Brothers Created A Culture Of Climate Doubt

Corporations and the super rich good, earth bad while we all get cancer and our environment gets worse each passing day.
Embarrassing Predictions Haunt the Global-Warming Industry

Here's your climate doubt, with no mention of Exxon or the Koch brothers.
 
Old 11-25-2015, 02:55 PM
 
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Facts created the climate.
 
Old 11-25-2015, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by TruthBTold2U View Post
A new study finds that groups funded by the energy industry heavyweights use similar messages.

One of the biggest studies to examine how climate change became controversial points to the unified dialogue coming out of the hundreds of individuals and organizations funded by energy heavyweights Exxon Mobil Corp. and the Koch brothers.

The study, published Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, reviewed 20 years of data starting in 1993 to show that climate change-denying groups and individuals who received money from Exxon Mobil and the Koch brothers began to unify their messages in 2007, amplifying supposed uncertainty surrounding the issue.

“They were writing things that were different from the contrarian organizations that did not receive corporate funding,” Yale University sociologist and lead study author Justin Farrell said. “Over time, it brought them into a more cohesive social movement and aligned their messages.”


How Exxon Mobil And Koch Brothers Created A Culture Of Climate Doubt

Corporations and the super rich good, earth bad while we all get cancer and our environment gets worse each passing day.
Corporate America has perfected the tactic of manipulating the public to think what they want them to think.
 
Old 11-25-2015, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by thecoalman View Post
European energy companies like Shell and BP have heavy investments in renewable energy and carbon credits as do the major banks.

They try and portray themselves as being environmentally conscious but the fact of the mater is they are looking at the enormous profits that can be made through legislation. These companies don't care if they are simply passing taxes onto the consumer and putting a chunk of change in their pocket while doing it, the only thing they care about is those taxes are being equally applied to all companies hence the reason they need Exxon aboard.
The European companies backed out of the false add campaign waged by ALEC and other pacs to instill doubt into climate change years before Exxon, the American companies were the last to come around.
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