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Old 11-25-2015, 07:57 PM
 
Location: pensacola,florida
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'These people are the base of the republican party'??.......you really believe that???? I know a LOT of republicans,including some who hold elected office, and none of them resemble the picture you are trying to paint here.

Most republican candidates do pander to evangelicals or at least pay lip service to them since they are a group who will support you if they like your stance on some social issues.......regardless of whether you will have any ability to change anything regarding a given issue......of course democrats do the same thing with various groups of voters.
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Old 11-25-2015, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Laurentia
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I'm sure the share of people that meet all of your criteria is well under 5% and probably less than 1%. This fearmongering over "radicals" also has a strong tinge of what people used to say about anarchists, socialists, and communists. I'll go through them one by one - I could use the exercise .

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-Believes in one-way separation of church and state i.e. the First Amendment intended to keep the government out of the church but not the church out of the government
This one is relatively common - far too common - though I'd be surprised if more than 30% met this one.

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-Hard stance against gay marriage that usually includes encouraging civil disobedience to protest it (i.e. Kim Davis)
Probably the majority support the use of civil disobedience as a tactic; as for the ones who oppose gay marriage and aren't against civil disobedience I'd guess they number 35-40% of the population.

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-May believe homosexuality should be a capital crime or at least passively tolerant to the idea
Only a minority supported the sodomy laws on the books that were struck down in 2003, and they came far short of capital punishment. Judging by the success of the Californian that tried to put a "kill the gays" initiative on the ballot I'd say a very small minority meet this criterion - 1-2% at most.

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-Either outright denies climate change or believes it to be a necessary precursor to the end-times
An expansive definition of "denies climate change" includes well over 50% of the population; a restrictive one includes 30-40%. I don't know what this has to do with being a radical evangelical, though - there's a veritable horde of very secular people that don't believe that global warming is a catastrophic threat and is primarily man-made.

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-Believes young earth creationism should be taught alongside or in place of evolution in public school science classes
In 2005 30% indicated that they would be upset if evolution was taught but creation was not taught in their community's public schools; that percentage is almost certainly a bit lower by now, and the poll didn't specifically ask about young-earth creationism. Based on the relative share of young-earthers and old-earthers among creation adherents, I'd say at most 20% currently meet your criterion.

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-Believes public school should start each morning with the Pledge of Allegiance and a Christian prayer
A strong majority (unfortunately) support a daily Pledge of Allegiance, and 61 percent support allowing daily prayer to be said in the classroom. Almost certainly many of that 61 percent think it should be allowed but wouldn't actively favor actually having daily prayer; the share that meet your criterion here is almost certainly no more than 50%, so I'll call it 40-50%.

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-Supports the "quiverfull movement" and homeschooling; Opposes women in the workplace
Quiverfull adherents* are a small minority, perhaps 1% of the population if you want to be generous. 46 percent of parents rate homeschooling quality in the abstract as excellent or good, and over 70 percent believe it should be legal**. Women being in the workplace is widely accepted; the share that actively oppose it is 20% at most.

**This has nothing to do with evangelicals, though, since in a 2009 poll only a third of homeschooling parents reported religious or moral instruction (of any kind) as their primary reason, a share that almost certainly has significantly dropped in the meantime. Perhaps your political fellow travelers who are proud products of the public school system should have informed you of that.

*I also don't get this fixation on quiverfull adherents as especially threatening, unless you have some weird hatred of fecund stay-at-home wives. Quiverfull families for religious reasons choose to reject family planning in favor of "letting nature take its course" - I favor family planning myself, but I don't see what the point is in pressuring it on people who don't want it and want children in the event they get pregnant. It's not as if women being told by men (and it's usually men) to be on birth control is any more liberated or progressive a situation than women being told by men to not be on it.

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-Believes the Republican Party has been ordained by God to save America from the atheists, gays, and liberals. Opposing Republicans is in essence opposing God himself
Ah, the Republicans who are a little too enthusiastic and holier-than-thou; we see this same phenomenon among Democrats and the Christian left and both (particularly the more numerous right wing version) are most undesirable mentalities, but I'd be surprised if this group represents more than 30% of evangelical Republicans, so this is 10% of the population at most.

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-Supports censorship of the airwaves and entertainment industry to force entertainment back to 1950s morality standards (Leave it to Beaver, I Love Lucy, Andy Griffith)
This group was a small minority even when they were at their peak in the mid 2000's; almost certainly they're well below 10%.
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Old 11-25-2015, 08:37 PM
 
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Total thread fail.


But tell your OFA employer you tried.
Bingo. Another o'bagger posting a hateful rant about things which he/she/it knows nothing.
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Old 11-25-2015, 08:41 PM
 
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I am no fan of Evangelicals, but even I say this is unfair. First of all, a lot of them do believe in climate change, but maybe not gay rights, while others are want school prayer but not censorship of adult entertainment (probably because they use it when they think no one is watching)

And the word you are looking for is "dominionism". It is the doctrine that good Christians must seize power of government and the media if Jesus is two return. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Theology

They are not very large and in fact in the GOP, but everyone is afraid of them for some reason:

[url]http://www.gallup.com/poll/183491/republican-conservative-base-shrinks.aspx[url]

This is why I wish Governor Gary Johnson had gone back and ran in this election. Either way, in the next few cycles you are guaranteed to see the rise of an anti-dominionist GOP wing. Wouldn't it be great if one of them said "sorry, if want a state religion, move to Iran. America was founded on enlightenment principles and that crazy talk about hating gays is downright un-American."

And keep in mind also a lot of Evangelicals focus on spiritual matters and not wordly things like politics. They used to keep their religion out of politics and keep how they vote separate from how they live their lives at home and church. Then came the 80s and that changed for many, but now we are slowly starting to see them throw their hands up and say "as long as I don't have to bake a gay wedding cake, I don't care anymore".

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Old 11-25-2015, 08:41 PM
 
Location: USA
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Based on your conditions, about .000000000001%. But about 33% of voters will be swayed by Evangelical values.
True. I'm a former Dem Atheist, and I really don't like siding with the Christian Right over he lying Left, but you gotta try to balance the two to get to the Center.
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