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Old 11-30-2015, 05:45 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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If there was something there one of the state attorneys generals would have brought it up already, insensitive statements are not a crime.

And discuss the details of an ongoing investigation? You think he is stupid?
Not on your life!


Issues are to be judged in a court of law, not on the media editors desk
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Old 11-30-2015, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Again, the videos were NOT fake. You can view all 12 unedited hours and see that there is nothing FAKE about them.

I watched 12 hours of the Planned Parenthood sting videos. Here

At the same time, there are specific moments that suggest Planned Parenthood is operating in an ethically gray area — one that really should raise questions for the organization and its supporters.

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Most of the moments that jumped out at me as problematic were in the second video, an hour-long lunch with Mary Gatter, president of Planned Parenthood's Medical Directors Council. Gatter is also the medical director for a clinic in Pasadena, and in the video is shown meeting with the fetal tissue buyers to discuss the possibility of a partnership there.
There's an exchange in which Gatter and one of the buyers discuss how much Planned Parenthood would receive for each fetal tissue specimen procured. The discussion, both in the longer and shorter versions of this video, sounds like a negotiation.

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Whether Planned Parenthood makes money selling fetal tissue is the focal point of the Center for Medical Progress's campaign against the group. So this tends to be the focus of the videos, too.
But there's another issue the videos touch on, and it's arguably more damaging than the discussions around tissue donation: the ethics of changing the abortion procedure to procure better tissue.
This is something Planned Parenthood officials talk about more openly than cost, and it's a difficult ethical issue to think through, even for supporters of abortion rights. Is it okay to change a medical procedure in service of something other than the patient's health? What about changes that don't alter the odds of success? What about those that make the procedure last a few seconds, maybe a minute, longer?
These are tough ethical issues, and they present serious dilemmas for providers who both believe in the promise of fetal tissue research and the integrity of the services they offer patients.
This is what made Gatter's comments on the issue, to me, the most disturbing part of the video. She dismisses these types of concerns about altering the procedure as a "specious little argument."
You realize the video is staged, right? They can't even prove which PP this was filmed at.
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Old 11-30-2015, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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And discuss the details of an ongoing investigation? You think he is stupid?
Not on your life!


Issues are to be judged in a court of law, not on the media editors desk
There are states with ongoing investigations, I thought around 20 were completed.
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Old 11-30-2015, 05:51 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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There are states with ongoing investigations, I thought around 20 were completed.
They are not completed, until it goes to litigation and a verdict is handed down.
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Old 11-30-2015, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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They are not completed, until it goes to litigation and a verdict is handed down.
Washington state's Attorney General Bob Ferguson stated that his team's investigation into allegations about Planned Parenthood profiting from sales of fetal tissue "found no indication that procedures performed by Planned Parenthood are anything other than performance of a legally authorized medical procedure."
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/28a64d...Parenthood.pdf


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The state Agency for Health Care Administration released a report on Wednesday showing that none of 16 Planned Parenthood clinics in Florida are illegally selling or transferring fetal tissue or parts.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...#ixzz3t1ncPu9M


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Planned Parenthood investigation: Missouri AG finds no wrongdoing
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...-no-wrongdoing

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“The investigation has concluded there was no evidence of this type of activity at these sites,” said the Indiana Department of Health in a statement, referring to the accusations that the three surgical abortion centers run by Planned Parenthood in the state were collecting fetal tissue without patients’ consent and selling it for profit.
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In Massachusetts, a similar statewide investigation was also closed earlier this week, likewise finding no wrongdoing.
https://www.yahoo.com/health/state-l...533982837.html

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inquiries in Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, South Dakota, Georgia and Indiana have all been closed. Those results, however, tend to arrive with considerably less fanfare
5 States Have Completed Investigations Into Planned Parenthood — and Found Nothing

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COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Almost two months after launching an investigation, Attorney General Mike DeWine's office has yet to announce any evidence that Ohio's three Planned Parenthood clinics have illegally sold organs from aborted fetuses.
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index....parenthoo.html

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Old 11-30-2015, 06:35 PM
 
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In other news, it looks like some other guy has been arrested at the hospital where Dear's victims were taken... For making threats to kill the injured survivors there:

Man questioned near Colorado Springs hospital may be linked to Planned Parenthood shooting | gazette.com

Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork!
I can't get into the Gazette's articles (very annoying). But, local station said that Penrose thought him suspicious and locked down. He shows up at Memorial and they locked down. That's were the cops detained and questioned him, KOAA is reporting no arrest was made.
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Old 11-30-2015, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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They are not completed, until it goes to litigation and a verdict is handed down.
Which state still has an ongoing investigation?
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Old 11-30-2015, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I could open the link and that's about what the article said. It was very short.
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Old 11-30-2015, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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In the strange reality liberals dwell in, it is OK for BLM posters to chant "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon."

Yet, these same people find it reprehensible when anyone expresses mild opposition to selling fetal organs like used auto parts.

An odd lot, these folks on the left.
Lol. In the strange reality of tea bagger, right wing world, it's mild opposition to enter a clinic, open fire, kill completely innocent people all the while toting a car filled with propane tanks outside just waiting for detonation.

Yet, these same mental Giants find it reprehensible when anyone wants to certify they aren't crazy before owning a gun.

An odd lot, these right wing birthers....

For fun, are the French more likely to die in a ISIS terrorist attack than an American is at any sporting event, movie theater, or classroom from domestic terrorists?
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Old 11-30-2015, 07:14 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Which state still has an ongoing investigation?
In all the red states. I know it is in mine.
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