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Old 11-29-2015, 03:43 AM
Status: "We need America back!" (set 2 days ago)
 
Location: Suburban Dallas
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~Yaaaaaawwn.~

Really??

I haven't seen any evidence to your claims.

All we know is, you hate conservatives.
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Old 11-29-2015, 03:46 AM
 
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It's time to talk about the elephant in the room. The elephant that doesn't know economics or good public policy. How are there any supporters for Republican/conservative/right-wing politics? They are devoid of facts and bad for the health of our society. Here's a few points:


Forbes Welcome

Average growth of real GDP:
  • Dem: 4.35% (18.4% per term)
  • Rep: 2.54%(10.6% per term)
The US economy performs better under Democratic presidents. Why? | VOX, CEPR


For no economically defensible reason, Republicans vehemently oppose higher taxes-----------------------------------

Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation and Library

https://www.gop.com/platform/restori...merican-dream/

House Votes For Tax Breaks To Add $287 Billion More To Deficit

They believe tax cuts and breaks - primarily for the rich and big corporations - lead to economic growth and prosperity. However, decades of research studies reject this premise. Tax cuts and breaks do not lead to economic growth. Instead, these forms of public policies increase income inequality because the rich and corporations are the main beneficiaries of these forms of tax reliefs.
Taxing the 1%: Why the top tax rate could be over 80% | VOX, CEPR

Tax cuts and tax breaks do not create jobs. In fact, 14 of the largest corporations with the lowest effective tax rate - paying no income taxes - shed 63k jobs over a five year period despite $107 billion in pre-tax profits. However, 14 of the largest corporations with the highest effective tax rate created 115k jobs over the same period, reporting 168 billion in pre-tax profits.
Think Corporate Tax Cuts Create Jobs? Think Again. | Center for Effective Government

Although corporations are richer than ever, in the midst of some of the lowest taxes they've seen in a century, this record amounts of corporate profit is being extracted for stock buybacks to increase stock performance rather than higher wages and investment.
Stock Buybacks Are Killing the American Economy - The Atlantic

In fact, tax cuts (specifically the Bush tax cuts) are the single largest contributor to the budget deficit.
http://www.cbpp.org/sites/default/fi...7-06tax-f1.jpg
http://www.cbpp.org/sites/default/fi...2-28-13-f2.jpg

Overall, tax cuts/breaks do not create jobs or spur investment or economic growth. They lead to income inequality and budget problems.

Their position on taxes strongly contributes to income inequality-------------------------------------


Newt Gingrich On Occupy Wall Street: Protesters Should 'Get A Job' And 'Take A Bath' (VIDEO)


Senior Senate Republican accuses Obama of 'class warfare' | Reuters


Rand Paul Dismisses Concerns About Income Inequality, Says Some People Just 'Work Harder' | ThinkProgress


GOP Lawmaker Not Convinced Income Inequality Is A 'Bad Thing'


Why Republicans Can't Convince People They Care About Inequality

It's evident the republicans favor lower taxes and tax breaks, and we know that those public policies increases income inequality. Let's go further.

From 1913 - 1933 and 1977 - 2008, the tax rates and tax breaks were persistent public policies. As a result, the top earners gained most of the income gains. What happened? When the top earners share of the national income peaks (23.9% in 1928, 23.5% in 2007) there is a major economic crisis. During these time periods, median wages declined and stagnated, economy performance worsened and collapsed. However, from 1947 - 1977, when top marginal tax rates were at all time highs, more of the income gains went to the middle class, median wages surged and the economy grew faster, given the ability of the middle class to consume more, and better jobs were created.

Top percent share of total income and economic crises
http://inequality.org/wp-content/upl...tax-income.png

Republican administrations coinciding with lower tax rates and economic crises
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/267149/MARGINAL-TAX-RATES.jpg


https://powerlineiswrong.files.wordp...ng?w=497&h=362

In summary, Republican administrations steered the nation into both the Great Depression and Great Recession by drastically lowering taxes allowing most of the income to concentrate at the top, effectively pulling the rug from under the economy. The most recent decline is traced back to the Reagan administration, where income inequality began to rise.

Income inequality is associated with social mobility. Countries with high income inequality have lower social mobility. That is, the American Dream is now better lived in other advanced nations. Thanks Reagan!
http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Mul...ducation/2.jpg

They combat increases in the minimum wage-----------------------------


GOP Rep. Joe Barton Calls For Minimum Wage Repeal


GOP blocks minimum wage, sick leave proposals | TheHill


GOP Candidates Resoundingly Reject The Idea Of A Minimum Wage Hike

Raising the minimum wage does not hurt the economy or job creation. Research shows there is little to no evidence of a negative association between increasing minimum wage and employment.
http://www.irle.berkeley.edu/workingpapers/157-07.pdf

https://ideas.repec.org/p/dkn/econwp/eco_2008_14.html

In fact, over 600 economists signed a letter of support of raising the federal minimum wage.


Over 600 Economists Sign Letter In Support of $10.10 Minimum Wage: Economist Statement on the Federal Minimum Wage | Economic Policy Institute

They wage war against the poor and marginalized--------------------


Mitt Romney Video: Barack Obama Voters 'Dependent On Government' (UPDATED)


House Republican Budget Whacks Food Stamps And Medicaid


Republicans pass 2016 budget that cuts $5 trillion in social, education and health programs

They are consistently in favor of cutting social programs that benefit the middle class and poor, which of course positions our nation behind our advanced peers. They irrationally believe government spending on thee programs creates dependence on government, yet it actually increases social mobility.
Government spending and intergenerational mobility

When measuring social expenditure as a share of GDP, the US lags behind virtually all of its advanced peer nations, which reflects in its poverty rate
https://emd82.files.wordpress.com/20...7-56-47-pm.png

Tax and transfer programs of the US does the least to reduce poverty, compared to its advanced peers
U.S. poverty rates higher, safety net weaker than in peer countries | Economic Policy Institute
It takes a lot of words to turn common sense into nonsense.

Thanks for demonstrating that.
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Old 11-29-2015, 03:57 AM
 
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The Democrats gave us Vietnam (Kennedy, Johnson); double-digit inflation, interest rates, and unemployment (Carter); the dot-com collapse (Clinton); bad loans to dead-beat home buyers (Carter's CRA, Clinton); NAFTA, globalization, and off-shoring of American jobs (Clinton); the repeal of Glass-Steagle (Clinton); and now a president (Obama) who has more than doubled the national debt from $9 trillion to over $18 trillion and is determined to import a tsumani of cheap illegal labor.

Good going, Democrats!
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Old 11-29-2015, 04:16 AM
 
Location: East Bay Area
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1. So you agree that the claim that Republicans Presidents have resulted in 2.5 times the debt of Democrats Presidents is highly inaccurate...because that is grossly false, as are all those other unsubstantiated claims.
Nothing is "highly inaccurate" about it.

http://nber.org/papers/w20324

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the OP is clueless.....there are many factors that move an economy and it doesn't all come from 1 branch of government.

Our system of government isn't made up that 1 branch of government or the whole government controls the whole economy.
There are definitely many factors that move an economy, some of which I haven't gotten to yet.
For now, I'll just refer you to a previous post.

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Conservative shifts in policy and Republican strength in Congress are associated with higher levels of
inequality.
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The impact of a one percentage point increase in the share of seats held by Democrats in Congress decreases the top income share by about .08.
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Democrats are more favorable than Republicans toward social programs that redistribute income, but the parties also differ over what the economic rules of the game should be. Based on our analysis, Democrats appear to favor an economic system that produces more egalitarian outcomes even before any redistribution occurs. In essence, the market is not completely beyond the influence of politics and policy, and it is not just in the realm of explicit redistribution that political parties produce divergent distributional outcomes. Political decisions in part “make the marketâ€
http://www.asanet.org/journals/ASR/Oct12ASRFeature.pdf

While there are other factors - which I am certain to get around to - studies show that one percentage point increase in the share of seats held by Republicans increases the top income share by .08%. So, not only does the economy do better under a Democratic president, but income inequality is decreased - and by association, social mobility is increased - under Democratic congressional strength.
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Old 11-29-2015, 04:23 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Default Excellent thread speaks the truth

Republicans don't talk about the economy as Romney did during his campaign precisely because it has flourished under this great President Obama. Excellent post. Republicans simply decimate the economy trying to fortify the rich, while everyone else goes to hell. They haven't a clue.
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Old 11-29-2015, 07:43 AM
 
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Republicans usually get into office to clean up the Democratic mess. So they will have slow growth for a few years. The Democrats come into power after the Republicans and gain from lower taxes and sometimes less government that the GOP puts into place. We have not seen much positive economic success under Obama. I don't count the stock market since it's being proped up by the FED. Once Obama is out the FED will raise rates, a lot, that will kill the market and maybe confidence in the consumer. The FED;s whole mission in life the last 7 years was to support the 1st black President.
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Old 11-29-2015, 07:48 AM
 
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Looks we've got more of the usual liberal tripe.

Improvements came from the democratic president.
Problems came from the previous republican president.

Kind of like how hot days are from global warming and cold days are just weather.


Do you have any verifiable facts to back up "usual liberal tripe."?
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Old 11-29-2015, 07:50 AM
 
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Think both kind of are stinky when it comes to the economy. One taxes you till you have nothing left on your wallet, but moths. The other spends frivolous amounts on project's or gives kickbacks to corporate individual's. So I mean you have money then wam they take it away.
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Old 11-29-2015, 08:07 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Dramatically improved for whom?
2009 Real median income: 54,925
2014 Real median income: 53,657
2010, the brakes were applied to the run away bus. It did not stop what was already rolling.
No one has turned the bus the other direction.
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Old 11-29-2015, 08:09 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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the OP is clueless.....there are many factors that move an economy and it doesn't all come from 1 branch of government.

Our system of government isn't made up that 1 branch of government or the whole government controls the whole economy.


Really? 90 years ago, when the economy was the most prosperous, the federal government only controlled 5% of the economy. Now they control over 50%.
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