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Old 12-23-2015, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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I believe it to be possible, just unlikely due to the U.S. constitution being fairly clear about the right to bear arms.

We're either going to amend the constitution, or we're going to continue on being one of the most violent developed countries on earth.
You're delusional. It is IMPOSSIBLE to completely get rid of hundreds of millions of firearms, period, end of story. There is no record of where most of them are or who owns them, and they can be easily made by any competent machinist.

If guns are the problem explain how the US violent crime rate has been cut in half over the last 20 year while 100,000,000 (one hundred million) more guns have been made or imported into the country.

Guns aren't the problem in the US. Some small segments of the US have a problem and people like you try to paint the entire country with the same brush as if the worst part of Baltimore have any relationship what so ever to Missoula.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...tate-gun-laws/

We are not even close to one of the most violent developed countries on earth. The VAST majority of the US is safer than almost any western country. The problem is in some of your progressive, liberal, inner cities. The rest of the US doesn't have a violence problem. The violent crime rate in the UK is 5x higher than it is in the US. The UK for example also cooks the books to show a lower homicide rate, they only record a death as a homicide when there has been a conviction.

Rational people who've actually looked at the data know where the problem areas are in the US, liberals ignore reality and keep foaming at the mouth about guns.
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Old 12-23-2015, 01:07 PM
 
Location: In a chartreuse microbus
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I've said it before: The first call made when something bad happens is to the people who have guns.
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Old 12-23-2015, 01:22 PM
 
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You're delusional. It is IMPOSSIBLE to completely get rid of hundreds of millions of firearms, period, end of story.
No it isn't. You amend the constitution, you make them illegal, and you give people 2 weeks to turn in their guns.

After that anybody who is caught with a gun goes to prison.

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If guns are the problem explain how the US violent crime rate has been cut in half over the last 20 year while 100,000,000 (one hundred million) more guns have been made or imported into the country.
The 1986 ban on assault weapons certainly helped.

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We are not even close to one of the most violent developed countries on earth. The VAST majority of the US is safer than almost any western country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

We rank 98th, right below Uzbekistan.

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The problem is in some of your progressive, liberal, inner cities.
Which are just as much "in America" as any other city.

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The rest of the US doesn't have a violence problem.
Right, once you exclude the areas of the U.S. with violence problems, the rest of the U.S. doesn't have a violence problem.

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The violent crime rate in the UK is 5x higher than it is in the US.
That's because the FBI doesn't consider simple assault a violent crime.

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Rational people who've actually looked at the data
Which excludes you, based on the fact that you actually believe the sort of facebook meme about UK violent crime being 5x higher than the US.
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Old 12-23-2015, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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"... you make them illegal, and you give people 2 weeks to turn in their guns."

Well, right there is another Constitutional Amendment that will be necessary, seems to me.
Read the Fifth Amendment very closely.
I don't think you can make such a confiscation of private property without just compensation (fair-market-value buy back).
Perhaps you should think about what other provisions of the Constitution "should" be changed "for the betterment of society".
Just remember, The Law Of Unintended Consequences is an immutable law of Nature. It CAN (and will) jump up and bite you at the most inopportune times!
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Old 12-23-2015, 03:27 PM
 
Location: MS
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No it isn't. You amend the constitution, you make them illegal, and you give people 2 weeks to turn in their guns.

After that anybody who is caught with a gun goes to prison.
What if 0.1% of the gun owners decided that they would rather fight the .gov then give up their guns? That's 100,000 people who are willing to die for a long held tradition in this country. Some will go down without a fight. What about the ones that don't? How many local police are you willing to sacrifice during this confiscation?

There is already a plan. If you don't want to read the entire fictional short story, scroll down half-way to "Back to my story." https://westernrifleshooters.wordpre...w-at-the-coup/
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Old 12-23-2015, 05:11 PM
 
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There are non-thinkers on both sides. The problem is mental illness. Pills for depression can cause homicide & suicide, but pill makers are protected by bribing most Dems & Reps in Congress & Presidents.


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Liberals are doing it again. Instead of waiting for the facts, asking

Who?
Motive?
Anyone else?
How?

Let the investigation go on, is it work place violence or is it terrorism. And state the facts instead of spinning it for political purposes.
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Old 12-23-2015, 05:25 PM
 
Location: USA
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Liberals are doing it again. Instead of waiting for the facts, asking

Who?
Motive?
Anyone else?
How?

Let the investigation go on, is it work place violence or is it terrorism. And state the facts instead of spinning it for political purposes.
No they believe if you take away all the guns, there will be no resistance to tyranny.
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Old 12-23-2015, 06:54 PM
 
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No it isn't. You amend the constitution, you make them illegal, and you give people 2 weeks to turn in their guns.

After that anybody who is caught with a gun goes to prison.



The 1986 ban on assault weapons certainly helped.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

We rank 98th, right below Uzbekistan.



Which are just as much "in America" as any other city.


Right, once you exclude the areas of the U.S. with violence problems, the rest of the U.S. doesn't have a violence problem.



That's because the FBI doesn't consider simple assault a violent crime.



Which excludes you, based on the fact that you actually believe the sort of facebook meme about UK violent crime being 5x higher than the US.
That post positively reeked of rancid stupidity.

Heil you.
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Old 12-23-2015, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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No it isn't. You amend the constitution, you make them illegal, and you give people 2 weeks to turn in their guns.

After that anybody who is caught with a gun goes to prison.
All you're doing is proving how totally out of touch with reality you are. You think criminals are going to turn in their guns because some halfwit liberal passes another law when they're already ignoring the law? That's just brilliant. Your presidents justice department already doesn't send people to prison when charged with multiple gun felonies.

Not to mention you'll never get 2/3 of the state's to vote to amend the constitution, you do know Obama can't just make it happen, right? Probably not based on your utter ignorance on crime and the law.
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Old 12-23-2015, 08:35 PM
 
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Liberals are doing it again. Instead of waiting for the facts, asking

Who?
Motive?
Anyone else?
How?

Let the investigation go on, is it work place violence or is it terrorism. And state the facts instead of spinning it for political purposes.
No, liberals think that banning guns will get rid of the most effective and efficient killing weapon. Murderers will shift to knifes and blunt objects. But this will increase the survival rate of attacks. The motive for murder will always exist, but the means to successfully kill someone will be reduced. 10,000 out of 14,000 homicides in the US involve a firearm according to the 2014 FBI report.
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