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Old 12-04-2015, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Overkill? pfftt! They should have used a anti-tank missiles.

 
Old 12-04-2015, 05:59 AM
 
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They say 23 cops from 7 agencies fired 380 rounds at the terrorists in San Berdo. Is that overkill? Considering Bonnie and Clyde only warranted 186 rounds.

How dead should we make a terrorist? And where did the rest of the bullets end up?

It seems to me this was a little like the last scene of "The Smiths."
Not when they already shot 30+ people (12 known dead)!

It works out to be 16.5 bullets per officer......not even two clips each (handguns). Considering today's firepower compared to 80 years ago with Bonnie and Clyde I suspect it was harder to fire 186 rounds back then!

Safe to say the resale value on that Suburban is "shot"
 
Old 12-04-2015, 06:05 AM
 
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Originally Posted by jamies View Post
They say 23 cops from 7 agencies fired 380 rounds at the terrorists in San Berdo. Is that overkill? Considering Bonnie and Clyde only warranted 186 rounds.

How dead should we make a terrorist? And where did the rest of the bullets end up?

It seems to me this was a little like the last scene of "The Smiths."

Same thing happened in Boston when they found the kid hiding in the boat

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bos...d-chaos-n80236

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But one of the snipers on the roof saw the object and began shooting. It
sparked a round of what is known as "contagious fire," where other officers with
their fingers on the trigger began peppering the boat with bullets.

He was found without a gun

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Ed Davis, the former Boston police commissioner, declined to fault the cops
who took part in the shootout and subsequent hunt for Dzhokar Tsarnaev, but he
acknowledged that the need to better prepare officers for such chaotic scenes.
I can fully understand how the chain of events can elevate adrenaline levels to the point where such things happen. Yeah, it might be excessive, but there's an easy way to avoid having 400 bullets fired at you....don't commit mass murder!!!

Last edited by Ibginnie; 12-05-2015 at 06:57 PM.. Reason: copyright violation
 
Old 12-04-2015, 06:08 AM
 
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What did one expect, a old western style, duel at high noon?
 
Old 12-04-2015, 06:08 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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Originally Posted by jamies View Post
They say 23 cops from 7 agencies fired 380 rounds at the terrorists in San Berdo. Is that overkill? Considering Bonnie and Clyde only warranted 186 rounds.

How dead should we make a terrorist? And where did the rest of the bullets end up?

It seems to me this was a little like the last scene of "The Smiths."
Bullets are cheap. All bullets fired cost less than a single gunshot wound to an innocent person would have.

I am sure ISIS appreciates the support though.
 
Old 12-04-2015, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Central Florida
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Originally Posted by jamies View Post
They say 23 cops from 7 agencies fired 380 rounds at the terrorists in San Berdo. Is that overkill? Considering Bonnie and Clyde only warranted 186 rounds.

How dead should we make a terrorist? And where did the rest of the bullets end up?

It seems to me this was a little like the last scene of "The Smiths."
Please explain how you would of handled the situation. I really would like to know what you would of done differently. A trial and housing them for life would of run into millions of dollars for these worthless people.
 
Old 12-04-2015, 06:32 AM
 
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Excessive force? No. Inadequate training for these scenarios? Potentially.

The Boston Bombing manhunt illustrated the lack of I guess you could call it anti insurgency training among beat cops. There were too many cops operating independently and they were interfering with the tactical teams that were deployed. From outside it certainly appears the same happened here. I am not sure what the solution is but when you have so many beat cops deployed you cant get the armored car through all the cars you have a problem.

Perhaps beat cops should have a process of becoming a 4 person squad using one vehicle when a scenario like this occurs, this might reduce hogging the air and might make for more cohesive responses. This would reduce vehicles deployed and might ensure they operate more effectively.

Boston certainly illustrated how important it is squad cars be equipped with semi auto rifles tho. BPD did not and does not have rifles available to beat cops (mostly). This does not help efficacy of such a dangerous manhunt.

Just some thoughts from the peanut gallery.
 
Old 12-04-2015, 06:51 AM
 
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I only wish patrol officers had better equipment.... Not having it confiscated by Obama and stored in some federal impound for his will. Question his tactics....
Has Obama been confiscating guns from city police? Really? Any links to that information? I'm sure some city police chiefs and mayors would have said something about it. Or are they all in on the conspiracy?
 
Old 12-04-2015, 06:55 AM
 
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Excessive force? No. Inadequate training for these scenarios? Potentially.

The Boston Bombing manhunt illustrated the lack of I guess you could call it anti insurgency training among beat cops. There were too many cops operating independently and they were interfering with the tactical teams that were deployed. From outside it certainly appears the same happened here. I am not sure what the solution is but when you have so many beat cops deployed you cant get the armored car through all the cars you have a problem.

Perhaps beat cops should have a process of becoming a 4 person squad using one vehicle when a scenario like this occurs, this might reduce hogging the air and might make for more cohesive responses. This would reduce vehicles deployed and might ensure they operate more effectively.

Boston certainly illustrated how important it is squad cars be equipped with semi auto rifles tho. BPD did not and does not have rifles available to beat cops (mostly). This does not help efficacy of such a dangerous manhunt.

Just some thoughts from the peanut gallery.
One of the big lessons learned years ago was that "beat cops" should generally not sit on their haunches and wait for SWAT in these kinds of situations.


But you do have a point about them having better tactics, such as each set of three or four, as they reach the area, combining into a fire team or squad and operating as such rather than as separate individuals.
 
Old 12-04-2015, 06:58 AM
 
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Originally Posted by jamies View Post
They say 23 cops from 7 agencies fired 380 rounds at the terrorists in San Berdo. Is that overkill? Considering Bonnie and Clyde only warranted 186 rounds.

How dead should we make a terrorist? And where did the rest of the bullets end up?

It seems to me this was a little like the last scene of "The Smiths."
Would have preferred a slow slaughter like these worms do to their animals every day and justify it as halal. But I digress.
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