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Old 12-09-2015, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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So, Norway, which has had one attack in the last 200 years, and yet the writer claims they have attacks more frequently than US, where we have had 355 mass shootings this year alone......... I guess if you twist and spin things hard enough, you can make statistics say anything you want.
355 mass shootings this year? You are really drinking the anti gun koolaid. Talk about twist and spin.....
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Old 12-09-2015, 08:31 AM
 
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That point on mass bombings is interesting. In the early 20th century, when mass shootings were more difficult to carry out simply because of the different weaponry available, mass bombings were relatively common in the US and occurring with disturbing regularity. (And notice how many of these mass shooters also have bombs.) If you clamp down on firearms to prevent mass shootings, I suspect that these same people will instead turn more and more to bombs.
This is true. Timothy McVeigh killed more people with fertilizer than anyone in the US ever did with a gun.
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Old 12-09-2015, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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But this is just empty talk. No unarmed Western European democracy have been subjected to a coup in decades. And you are giving way too much credit to the common armed man. The massive military of the US will always trump the armed populace no matter what.

Guns and freedom have nothing to do with each other.
Not true at all. The massive military of the US would not fight it's neighbors and the military has sworn to uphold the constitution, not the government. There is a good reason they don't swear allegiance to the government.
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Old 12-09-2015, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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We only had 4? According to what definition of mass-shooting?

A mass-shooting is an incident where 4 or more people get shot. The article inserts the "not while committing another crime" in there to manipulate the numbers. Why would the exclude the situations where a crime was involved?


Norway shooter was committing another crime, so why did they count it anyway?
You can define a mass shooting anyway you choose. Some people choose to include everything possible to support their agenda.
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Old 12-09-2015, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Florida
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355 mass shootings this year? You are really drinking the anti gun koolaid. Talk about twist and spin.....
The number is factually correct. Just because you do not like it, doesn't mean it is anti-gun cool aid.
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Old 12-09-2015, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You can define a mass shooting anyway you choose. Some people choose to include everything possible to support their agenda.
It is not my definition, nor do I have an agenda. How would you define a mass shooting? Why would you exclude mass shootings between gangs for example?
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Old 12-09-2015, 10:24 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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We only had 4? According to what definition of mass-shooting?

A mass-shooting is an incident where 4 or more people get shot.
4 killed. Not four shot, four killed. Very huge difference between those two.
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Old 12-09-2015, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Florida
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4 killed. Not four shot, four killed. Very huge difference between those two.
And......? If you shoot four people, it's not a shooting unless everyone dies? What kind of logic is that?


A 'shooting' does not require fatalities. It does require a victim, and for a 'mass shooting' it required four, or more victims.


How the 'mother jones' definition makes sense to anyone is beyond me. What does the figure represent? Nothing.


Why gang related shooting are not shootings is also beyond me.


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Old 12-09-2015, 11:44 AM
 
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You known I was reading a similar thread about Australia's Gun Laws. It's funny how no one brings up the other side of the issue [aside from the fact that gun crime went up I mean]. Following places like Australia we would have 13,000,000 more assaults and over 900,000 more sexual assaults every year. That's a heavy price to pay. People still wasn't to push this effort?
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Old 12-09-2015, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Florida
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You known I was reading a similar thread about Australia's Gun Laws. It's funny how no one brings up the other side of the issue [aside from the fact that gun crime went up I mean]. Following places like Australia we would have 13,000,000 more assaults and over 900,000 more sexual assaults every year. That's a heavy price to pay. People still wasn't to push this effort?
Sure seems like the opposite is true. Robberies are down more than half.


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