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Old 12-10-2015, 02:12 PM
 
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The problem isn't the wealth gap. The problem is that we've got peoople working two full time jobs and still not being able to make ends meet without public assistance and then being derided as "losers" or "takers" or "moochers" because of the public assistance. The problem is that when the idea of giving these people raises is bought up the executives, who are making tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars say "we can't afford it". The problem is that the people on the lower end of the pay scale get all of the blame and none of the credit. When Hostess went bankrupt it was all the workers fault. The people whose job it is to actually run the company, to make sure it makes a profit, weren't held responsible at all for that bankruptcy. In fact they got huge bonuses and pay raises for doing "such a great job". But when a business is booming do the workers ever get any credit? No, they don't. When business is booming then the workers "just work there and should be glad they have a job.
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Old 12-10-2015, 02:16 PM
 
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Liberals keep parroting meaningless statistics like "The X richest people own Y% of the wealth". My question is, why do you consider this an issue?

Are you saying that you're poor because someone else is rich? Did you ever consider that all the extra wealth they have is wealth that was produced by them or their company? Them generating wealth doesn't somehow make you less wealthy.

Maybe it's time to get over your envy of others' success. It sounds like babies crying about how other children have more toys than them.
How exactly is "The X richest people own Y% of the wealth" a meaningless statistic but "The X richest people pay Y% of the taxes" not? Why do cons consider that an issue?
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Old 12-10-2015, 02:27 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Which is fine when you provide those percentages, not so fine when you try to imply through the lack of data that the majority is the % provided.
I posted facts. And gave substantiating links. If you do not understand the facts such as they are, that's not my fault.
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Old 12-10-2015, 02:33 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Of course there will always be inequality, that's not even a subject worth discussing, this is the problem:

A new study shows that the gap in the wealth that different American households have accumulated is more extreme than any at time since the Great Depression
That's going to be a mathematical certainty that simply can't be avoided, given the following facts:

1) Those who receive public assistance, as a group, have a birth rate 3 times higher than those who don't. Stats and citations, here:
//www.city-data.com/forum/32045595-post217.html

2) 70% of those who are born into poverty never even make it to the middle class.
Only 30% of those born poor ever make it to the middle class

And then on top of that, millions of undereducated, low-skilled immigrants (both legal and illegal) and their offspring have been added to our population.
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Old 12-10-2015, 03:02 PM
 
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Even if you lower educational costs, the fact is that not everyone has the ability to achieve economic success at the same level.

For example, most people will never be able to get into medical school and achieve the high lifetime earnings that a physician does. There is no way to fix this no matter what the government does. That is why I say that inequality of outcome is immutable.
That's true.

But if denial of access to resources continues to grow as the wealth gap grows, then there will be less and less opportunity for anyone to achieve economic success.

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Old 12-10-2015, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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360 posts. A significant portion of them all about denying reality. Some even going as far as saying such gems as "There is no connection between inequality and opportunity". Data shows how wrong so many of these posts are,
What data would that be? I have never seen data that supports what you say. The problem isn't inequality, it's poverty.
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Old 12-10-2015, 03:43 PM
 
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poor people can't get into the richest zip codes, that's part of what zoning is for.

but even where they move out of the ghetto, you can take the 'banger out of the 'hood, but you can't take the 'hood out of the 'banger.
Really. So now they check your bank account before you move? And zoning dictates this? Huh......
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Old 12-10-2015, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The problem isn't the wealth gap. The problem is that we've got peoople working two full time jobs and still not being able to make ends meet without public assistance and then being derided as "losers" or "takers" or "moochers" because of the public assistance. The problem is that when the idea of giving these people raises is bought up the executives, who are making tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars say "we can't afford it". The problem is that the people on the lower end of the pay scale get all of the blame and none of the credit. When Hostess went bankrupt it was all the workers fault. The people whose job it is to actually run the company, to make sure it makes a profit, weren't held responsible at all for that bankruptcy. In fact they got huge bonuses and pay raises for doing "such a great job". But when a business is booming do the workers ever get any credit? No, they don't. When business is booming then the workers "just work there and should be glad they have a job.
2 full time jobs at min wage is near $33K.

They are not eligible for "welfare".
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Old 12-10-2015, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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That's true.

But if denial of access to resources continues to grow as the wealth gap grows, then there will be less and less opportunity for anyone to achieve economic success.
What resources are they being denied ?
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Old 12-10-2015, 07:39 PM
 
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Gods your "Its all about all the little people" stuff is getting old.

400 people own more then the bottom 150 million. For the VAST majority its welfare for the rich. No matter HOW you argue it.

Also..why exactly do you think pensions are underfunded?
Everyone defends their own welfare. It's too bad they aren't interested in it for others.
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