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Old 05-23-2016, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Originally Posted by kovert View Post
Of course.

One can't yell fire in a crowded theater and claim Freedom of Speech.


The "yelling fire in a crowded theater" is a red herring argument.

Why? Because that limitation is not a limit on what you can say, but only where and how you can say it because of how it will effect others.

I am perfectly free to yell fire at the top of my lungs in my own home or in a deserted forest.


If gun grabbers want to ban a certain gun, they don't care that you have a gun in your house or use it on your own property without hurting or endangering others. When they ban certain guns or want to place limits on who can have guns, it is essentially the same as banning the word "fire" altogether or banning certain people from saying the word fire, regardless of where they say it or in what context.

The firearms equivalent of "yelling fire in a crowded theater" would be brandishing or firing a gun in a crowded theater, not simply owning a gun.
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Old 05-23-2016, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Did you think running a country is free? No liberties have been taken or sold back to you. Maybe you should calm down and go for a walk, some fresh air would be good for you.




Good idea, maybe I'll go fishing.....

Wait.... I need a license for that......

What possible reason does the government have for requiring me to obtain a fishing license before I can go fishing?

I'm not endangering the public in any way if I suck at fishing, so you can't compare it to needing a drivers license to demonstrate that I'm a competent driver.

If I'm an incompetent fisherman, the worst that could happen is I won't catch any fish.
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Old 05-23-2016, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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who makes you lose any freedom-? My mom left a candy jar on the table, for all to get one and a visitors as well-- then my brother decided he wanted them all for his buds and then there was none- when someone came to visit my mom-- guess what disappeared from the table-- never to be seen again-- the candy dish
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Old 05-23-2016, 01:22 PM
 
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That sounds like irrational behavior, if reasoning with the truth can change governments overreach without violence. Civil disobedience in masses has a way of changing oppressive policy. The truth must be told and reasoned with, rationally and not emotionally to get the the only solution to correct it.
I could see you shouting that in your town square.
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Old 05-23-2016, 01:24 PM
 
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Good idea, maybe I'll go fishing.....

Wait.... I need a license for that......

What possible reason does the government have for requiring me to obtain a fishing license before I can go fishing?

I'm not endangering the public in any way if I suck at fishing, so you can't compare it to needing a drivers license to demonstrate that I'm a competent driver.

If I'm an incompetent fisherman, the worst that could happen is I won't catch any fish.
You need a license to prevent over fishing, though there is nothing in the Constitution about fishing licenses.....
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Old 05-23-2016, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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You need a license to prevent over fishing, though there is nothing in the Constitution about fishing licenses.....
Yes, because soooo many people would take up fishing immediately if they didn't need a license

People who want to fish will fish, license or not.
People who don't want to fish will not care if suddenly there was no license required.

Fail argument.
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Old 05-23-2016, 04:29 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I could see you shouting that in your town square.

You don't know me, to know that. Why be so irrational?

Civil disobedience in masses has a way of changing oppressive policy.
The truth must be told and reasoned with, rationally and not emotionally, to get the the only solution to correct it.
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Old 05-23-2016, 05:06 PM
 
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Yes, because soooo many people would take up fishing immediately if they didn't need a license

People who want to fish will fish, license or not.
People who don't want to fish will not care if suddenly there was no license required.

Fail argument.
Well then you have no issue, go fishing.

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You don't know me, to know that. Why be so irrational?

Civil disobedience in masses has a way of changing oppressive policy.
The truth must be told and reasoned with, rationally and not emotionally, to get the the only solution to correct it.
You are right, I don't know you, so good luck with your "civil disobedience," I expect to see it on the news.
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Old 05-23-2016, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Civil disobedience is an American tradition championed by Thomas Jefferson , Henry David Thoreau and Martin Luther King. Both Thomas Jefferson and Malcolm X recognized armed resistance is sometimes necessary.
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Old 05-24-2016, 06:02 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Really funny, lets see the current GOP drop all the fees mentioned in this thread, now that would be different.

Those fees are meant to cover the costs involved with the activities mentioned. Back round checks to try to prevent weapons going to people who may miss use them. Fishing license, to cover the cost to replenish when over use of a natural resource occurs.


No we do not pay for the Amendments they are there and have not been taken away. If you do not want fees then you would want to change the tax system. The current GOP and its tax plan will only mean higher fees as well as Real Estate and Property taxes. Mr. Bow would wind up paying even more taxes on each weapon he bought or sold. His basement where he seems to spend many hours would be taxed as office space.

Nothing in life is free. The GOP backers want it all and expect us to take care of them for free.
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