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Old 12-09-2015, 10:33 AM
 
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Yeah and? Still doesn't compare to what Trump said. What Trump said is smart.
Omg, so hard to penetrate this fog, no wonder trump has a following. Hitler got legitimately elected and he became the dictator and brought Germany to its knees in total destruction. That is the path Trump is taking. Learn from history.

 
Old 12-09-2015, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.
 
Old 12-09-2015, 10:46 AM
 
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Ben Carson: 'Hitler' could happen here - CNNPolitics.com

This is an older article but this is one thing I think I agree with Carson on (except not in the context in which he said it).

The evidence is there in how Trump keeps surging in popularity. He is scapegoating Muslims in a very similar way Hitler scapegoated Jews. He is wrapping it all in American flags promising to "Make America Great Again."

Hitler was able to rally support by blaming the Jews for World War I as well as all of the problems in the Weimar Republic, all while promising to restore Germany to its former glory. The Nazis also persecuted other "degenerates" such as homosexuals, other races such as Slavs and Serbs, and communists. Replace Slavs and Serbs with Latinos and you could easily apply that to Trump.

Regardless of your political sensibilities, I think an important question to ask is could this happen here, in the U.S.A.? Most people would say no because of the Constitution but that can be amended or as our past several Presidents have exemplified, ignored. With our society becoming more and more radicalized I think we are getting to a point where it might not be out of the question.

It's human nature to seek power and to hate, and all it takes is a charismatic leader, a crisis, an uneducated population, big promises that tickle the masses' ears, and a group(s) of people to scapegoat and you have all the ingredients for a brutal tyrant.
No- he's dead.
 
Old 12-09-2015, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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The real question is how was it possible that five years prior to Hitler becoming German Chancellor the National Socialists were considered almost a joke, rejected by 97% of German voters?

A joke!

In the 1928 German Election the Nazi Party only achieved 2.6% of the national vote, this means that an amazing 97% of Germans clearly did not want Hitler to be their Chancellor. The Nazis were looked upon as a fringe party and were almost a joke – yet just five years later Hitler was Chancellor of Germany! How could this have happened?

Economics. As long as everything is good we have little to worry about but let it all crash, and crash badly, it could happen here.

The great depression made Hitler.

I believe there were social issues as well. Prior to 1930 Berlin, and especially Hamburg, were viewed by the rednecks outside major metropolitan areas as places of homosexuality and debauchery. The enlightened leftists loved to rub the rednecks noses in it thinking they had total control that nothing would ever change.
You are incorrect about how the Nazis achieved power. There are two main factors and those factors are pretty much present in all "Right wing revolutions". The financing by the "economic royalists, corporations and cartels. That is key to the success of the movement. It's quite amazing actually how both Hitler and Mussolini played the people as stooges during their assent to power. Both of them posed as champions of the people and put forth a fairly extreme left wing agenda. Both posed as "Socialists" but were in fact the extreme opposite of socialists. Big coal, oil, steel, chemicals and the rest of the cartels knew full well exactly where the Nazis stood, their support of trillions of marks was dependent on this. In Germany at the time the police of the various state were quasi military and the Nazis were able to win over some of the more important ones, Bavaria being key here. Anyway, eventually they were able to win over Prussia and that sealed the fate of the Weimar Republic. The military had remained fairly neutral during the building up of the Nazi power but after they subverted the Prussian state security apparatus they were easily swayed into the Nazi camp. So the two essential elements of a right wing "Coup" are, the support by the financial sector and the backing of the military. In the case of the Nazis, both of these powers thought they could control Hitler for their own ends. They were both very wrong in this assumption.

In the case of something like this happening in the USA, the only defence would be the national guard of the several states. Do you think they would resist or not? I think maybe some states might but would be quickly crushed. Another aspect would be, "would the rank and file soldier obey orders he knew to be illegal? Personally, I think they would. I actually think a right wing cuop could be carried out quite easily and fairly bloodless in the USA of today. A huge % of the population are already supporters of Fascism disguised as "law and order".
 
Old 12-09-2015, 01:31 PM
 
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When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.
Obama's not a Christian so there goes your theory.
 
Old 12-09-2015, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Yes I'm very serious! Does it not give you pause to think that already, militarized law enforcement can and does kill innocent people on a regular basis and usually gets away scot free? You can be "disappeared" by one of the innumerable federal LEOs.
"Citizens United" guarantees near totally corrupt governance at all levels. The justice system is corrupt, broken and racist to the core. Your cities are falling apart to an extent and degree that is just mindblowing. The banks and corporate America is ruling the nation for their narrow interests which are usually contrary to the public interest. You know, the other day I was thinking, How would the USA of today react to the social unrest that was almost a daily aspect of American life during the Vietnam era. "Four dead in O H I O was a big deal then. Today I fear it would be 40,000 dead all over the place. Americans used to be brave people, now it seems to be a nation of scared, afraid and paranoid *******. One small attack, with a few dead paralyses the entire country. On the other hand tens of thousand of Americans killing each other does not seem important to anyone.
I am not saying you are wrong, I am asking "are you serious?" because I think you sound paranoid.

this thread is "Could Hitler happen here" Nazi comparison is really, irrational. Talking about fear

Before you compare anything and anybody to Nazis and Hitler, just don't.

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

The above statement is known as Godwin's Law. It's based on the principle developed by American lawyer Mike Godwin that if an online conversation goes on long enough, it eventually turns into a mudslinging contest.

I agree with the posts you made in this thread. But like I said, the Nazi comparison is really irrational.
 
Old 12-09-2015, 01:36 PM
 
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This thread is just GOLD! On one hand the Left says the right is the fearful ones because we understand a REAL dangerous threat, but here is the Left all fearful of some fiction.
 
Old 12-09-2015, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Omg, so hard to penetrate this fog, no wonder trump has a following. Hitler got legitimately elected and he became the dictator and brought Germany to its knees in total destruction. That is the path Trump is taking. Learn from history.
yes learn from history....nazi'ism, fascism are all part of the progressive movement...ie liberalism
 
Old 12-09-2015, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Of course it could happen here. Think of it this way...

What is the underlying belief of all societies under oppressive regimes? Not just Hitler, but Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, or any other state that murdered and oppressed its own citizens? There's a key belief they have in common...

Collectivism - the belief that individual rights can be overruled in the name of the common good, or the nation as a whole.

That belief is what allows things like the holocaust, gulags, mass killings of "traitors" and dissidents, etc. When it becomes acceptable to disregard any group or individual person's rights as a human being, the people in charge can demonize and oppress them with no outrage from the average citizen.

That belief is present in our society. It may be relatively tame at the moment, but the seed is there. Just insert hated group here ________ (Muslims, right-wing extremists, privileged classes, Jews, atheists, Christians, blacks, whites...)

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Old 12-09-2015, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.
fascism came to america under the fascist liberal FDR...and the liberals ave continued pushing their fascist agenda

naziism and liberalism all come from the 'progressive movement'

that's what you get from liberalism...

the government is god, only the government can help, screw the individual and their want of freedom

socialism and fascism (which is socialism lite) are ANTI-FREEDOM big government

naziism, fascism, communism, socialism , Marxism ALL come from the progressive movement..ALL are about REDUCING individual RIGHTS and freedoms

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"A Marxist/Fascist/Liberal begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of socialism, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." Saul Alinsky
the NASI's were the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers’ Party)....and they are very close to the MODERN liberal
simple things like 'nationalizing' corporations, nationalization of all trusts(banks),social security, eminate domain(agrarian reform) , removing the guns from the people, demand the end of capitolism, state(country) provided education, blame the jews (or the modern version 'the zionists'),.. 'fairness doctrine"( censorship of talk radio), redistribution of wealth).....COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD

DO THESE SOUND FAMILIAR, YES THE ARE THE TALKING POINTS OF THE LIBERALS, THE DNC AND MOVEON.ORG..................
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THEY ARE ALSO A LARGE PART OF HITLERS 25 POINTS

hitler came into power because germany (after ww1) was in economic depression and he was the candidate of 'hope and change',, his plans slowly moved from being helpful to dreadful,,he took true socialism, and spun it with fascism and the next thing you know he is a liberaL dictator.



fascism/socialism/communism/marxism don't REQUIRE a dictator..but any time you make the government so big and powerful a totalitarian or dictator could easily step in

liberalism leads to dictators

liberals and their nationalistic mottos:
hmmm YES WE CAN...or lets NATIONALIZE the oil companies.....more hopey changey

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We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler
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""Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism."" Mussolini
notice the GLOBALIST liberal theme..... communism/fascism/socialism/nasism/marxism/american liberalism....all globalists...all born of the progressive movement of the late 1800'ss
globalism is the forefront of liberalism and socialism


mandatory sterilization....that would be called eugenics....started by the left...infact the founder of planned parenthood , maggy singer, major supporter of eugenics program of the liberals

the history is there, just because you dont like that people like Mussolini and Hitler tarnished the name of progressives, with Eugenics, population control, economic fascism, etc.... doesn't mean it didn't happen....
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