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This case is very interesting for the following reason: Abigail Fisher blames Affirmative Action, yet out of the 841 students who made the 8% cut, ONLY 47 had PAI/AI scores that were lower than Fishers AND 42 of them were white. - This means that only 5 (non white students) who received admission letters, had lower scores than Abigail. Why is Abigail not perturbed that 42 white students who received admission offers had lower scores?
You realize that they are comparing scores AFTER giving points for factors like race etc?
Let me simplify.
Let's say I gave everyone with blonde hair 20 extra points on my math test.
A person with dark hair complained that they scored only 75 and should get a higher grade.
I dismiss their complaint by pointing out that almost all the blonde haired people scored higher than they did, after I gave them all an extra 20 points, so their complaints are invalid.
I have to wonder who wrote that article you linked to, they're functionally innumerate and should be shamed for it.
Well that's what has happened in California after that state eliminated race based enrollment. AA and white enrollments went down while asian enrollments shot through the roof. Private Ivy League universities are free to do as they please and won't be impacted, but state universities will likely see the same thing happen should SCOTUS agree with the lower courts.
Heck, as it is I wonder how much of the Ivy League enrollments are WASP legacies and foreign nationals that pay full tuition versus achievement based enrollees.
I can`t find anything that backs up your claim that white enrollment declined.
If high school students think that, realistically, they can never have much hope of having more than a minimum-wage type job, what incentive do they have to stay in school?
If everyone received an EQUAL K-12 education, and if college admissions were based only on objective and non-biased aptitude tests, and if the number of acceptances were based on the projected number of jobs in which a college degree was required, and if college was free to those who were then accepted, I just think that would truly "level the field" with a real chance of a college education being given to everyone -- and an added benefit might be high school students who were more motivated to study harder, stay in school, and succeed.
And perhaps if more students were required to actually earn their "right" to a college education, maybe they would then appreciate their college education more than many do now, rich OR poor, "white" OR "non-white".
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You realize that they are comparing scores AFTER giving points for factors like race etc?
Let me simplify.
Let's say I gave everyone with blonde hair 20 extra points on my math test.
A person with dark hair complained that they scored only 75 and should get a higher grade.
I dismiss their complaint by pointing out that almost all the blonde haired people scored higher than they did, after I gave them all an extra 20 points, so their complaints are invalid.
I have to wonder who wrote that article you linked to, they're functionally innumerate and should be shamed for it.
The article I read had Quotes from the Board of Admissions from Texas. They gave numbers that didnt include points given for race.
Long story short, she didnt have a good case, she is lucky they looked at her application at all seeing as she didnt submit it in the proper form( checking off that she was in the top 10% of her class when she really wasnt.)
Ever gone through the admissions process at an elite school?
Yep.
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I know an Ivy recruiter, they can spot a "Tiger whipped" student with high test scores and the personality of a lump of mud within the first 5 minutes.
Those kids aren't going to make any ivy *better* than a lower scoring well-rounded student with actual interests and passions.
It's not about making an Ivy *better*. It's about merit. If Asian students have superior grades and test scores compared to White applicants, then they should be admitted over White applicants. Period.
Ever gone through the admissions process at an elite school?
Given cultural pressures, regional pressures (east coast) and other socio-economic factors, Asian students in the US are often pressured to get into the best school. These are kids that practice the PSAT for 2 years to make sure they get national merit and spend hours and hours and hours prepping for SAT's etc.
I know an Ivy recruiter, they can spot a "Tiger whipped" student with high test scores and the personality of a lump of mud within the first 5 minutes.
Those kids aren't going to make any ivy *better* than a lower scoring well-rounded student with actual interests and passions.
We need an objective scale. Grades are the most objective scale. When you are playing basketball against somebody and score less points than he, nobody will declare you a winner because the judge liked your personality.
We need an objective scale. Grades are the most objective scale. When you are playing basketball against somebody and score less points than he, nobody will declare you a winner because the judge liked your personality.
Actually, standardized tests are the most objective scale, and Asians perform better on standardized tests than Whites.
Actually, standardized tests are the most objective scale, and Asians perform better on standardized tests than Whites.
Anything that is not based on "personal opinion/impression". I agree that the best is equal, standardized test.
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This means that only 5 (non white students) who received admission letters, had lower scores than Abigail. Why is Abigail not perturbed that 42 white students who received admission offers had lower scores?
