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I think the question should be "Is anyone else surprised this would happen after we created Guantanamo, tortured prisoners, and kept them there indefinitely with no hope for a fair trial?" This is not the first former Guantanamo prisoner to subsequently be linked to terrorism. Some of those who have been were released long before Obama was elected.
I know there were some really dangerous people held there, but the evidence does suggest that there were more than a few who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I find it more surprising that so many have found a way to forgive.
Was this person ever prosecuted for anything? Stood in front of court and let the evidence show he should be in prison?
The US lets thousands of people out of prison early each year, or slaps them on the wrist endlessly, who all go on to do more crimes, yet just a fraction of the outrage compared to a Gitmo detainee getting released. Whether Joe career criminal commits a violent crime against you or terrorist Jim, the end result is the same.
This Gitmo issue could have been avoided if the US would have simply put these people in a courtroom, instead of just holding people for years and years. All honestly, I do not blame anyone who is detained for years by the US without any charges or right to prove innocence, to join any group who declares the US an enemy. I am sure a lot of hate builds up sitting in a jail, with no ability to even prove innocence, nor the US even having to prove guilt.
It's easy to Monday morning quarterback Gitmo. But when it was set up it was done so to detain people who were imminent threats to American lives, after several of their comrades had just killed 3000 of us.
As far as the justice these detainees are used to or would impose on others, it's example is before us in the lands they come from. Justice as we know it means nothing to them. Our system is but a screen to manipulate while they commit their crimes. Their system is a way to exterminate opponents.
Their complaints about Gitmo would have had them murdered in any jail in their homelands. If they were in charge and we the prisoners, we would have been murdered as well.
It's easy to Monday morning quarterback Gitmo. But when it was set up it was done so to detain people who were imminent threats to American lives, after several of their comrades had just killed 3000 of us.
How do you know they were a threat or linked to 9/11? There was never a trial, presentation of evidence, etc, all those things that establish the guilt of someone. This was the basics of the government stating "because I said", the very thing the basics of human rights is against.
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Originally Posted by Troyfan
As far as the justice these detainees are used to or would impose on others, it's example is before us in the lands they come from. Justice as we know it means nothing to them. Our system is but a screen to manipulate while they commit their crimes. Their system is a way to exterminate opponents.
Their complaints about Gitmo would have had them murdered in any jail in their homelands. If they were in charge and we the prisoners, we would have been murdered as well.
So, you think the US is supposed to drop down to the level of these people, the same people that are criticized for doing such things?
Fact is that the US took some people and never presented any evidence nor allowed any basic chance of them to defend themselves. If these people were truly guilty, then there should have been no problem presenting this evidence and for these people to be prosecuted.
Heres a fun Fact, in 2009. The current leader of ISIS Abu Bakr al Baghdadi was held in CAMP BUCCA . A US prison in Iraq. Shortly after Obama took office. He released the current leader of Isis who happens to be "Abu Bakr al Baghdadi" and deemed him non-combatant. Talk about another slap in the face to America at the Hands of Obama.
Heres a fun Fact, in 2009. The current leader of ISIS Abu Bakr al Baghdadi was held in CAMP BUCCA . A US prison in Iraq. Shortly after Obama took office. He released the current leader of Isis who happens to be "Abu Bakr al Baghdadi" and deemed him non-combatant. Talk about another slap in the face to America at the Hands of Obama.
He's destabalizing Syria though and that's what this administration wants.
Their focus is on getting Assad out of Syria and putting Syria back on the USD for trading oil.
I think the question should be "Is anyone else surprised this would happen after we created Guantanamo, tortured prisoners, and kept them there indefinitely with no hope for a fair trial?" This is not the first former Guantanamo prisoner to subsequently be linked to terrorism. Some of those who have been were released long before Obama was elected.
I know there were some really dangerous people held there, but the evidence does suggest that there were more than a few who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I find it more surprising that so many have found a way to forgive.
Tortured? No.
Kept them indefinitely? That doesn't appear to be the case, does it?
No hope of a fair trial? Each and every one of them has a team of lawyers. They have access to a fair a reputable legal system.
Many of these people were involved in planning and executing attacks against US forces. They should have been tried and executed long ago... but not one of them has. But they did get free Korans, 3 Halal meals a day and a nice new soccer field. Poor babies.
How do you know they were a threat or linked to 9/11? There was never a trial, presentation of evidence, etc, all those things that establish the guilt of someone. This was the basics of the government stating "because I said", the very thing the basics of human rights is against.
So, you think the US is supposed to drop down to the level of these people, the same people that are criticized for doing such things?
Fact is that the US took some people and never presented any evidence nor allowed any basic chance of them to defend themselves. If these people were truly guilty, then there should have been no problem presenting this evidence and for these people to be prosecuted.
Information on terrorists frequently comes from sources who would be eliminated if it became public as in a conventional trial. Just as gangs in many inner-cities intimidate witnesses from testifying against them, so terrorists would eliminate any even remotely suspected information source of a Western intelligence agency.
I did not say the US should adopt terrorist home country standards of justice, nor has it. My point, not well made, was that terrorists' experience with Gitmo is not likely a determining factor in their opinion of American justice since the systems they are used to make Gitmo seem like Disneyland in comparison.
It's one thing to pose when there is no responsibility. When life and death in is the balance, it's quite another.
Heres a fun Fact, in 2009. The current leader of ISIS Abu Bakr al Baghdadi was held in CAMP BUCCA . A US prison in Iraq. Shortly after Obama took office. He released the current leader of Isis who happens to be "Abu Bakr al Baghdadi" and deemed him non-combatant. Talk about another slap in the face to America at the Hands of Obama.
al Baghdadi was held for a few months in 2004, and then released in 2004. This is from official government records.
The statement that he was released in 2009 came from a former colonel at the Camp who said he "recognized the face."
Either way, whichever is true, he was not "set free." He was handed over to the Iraqis as part of an agreement Bush signed with Iraq that required him to hand over the detainees.
So no, Obama did not release him.
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