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It is interesting that on one hand people argue that business have the right to discriminate against who ever they choose while at the same time arguing that there is such a thing as an "American job" as if employment is some sort of birthright.
Just one of those quirky aspects of American logic.
You forgot to mention hiring non Americans because it's cheaper then crying that everyone uses unemployment and welfare. Not that interesting, but sure is disgusting. It's like raping your wife and then calling her a *****.
The Indian consulting firms basically sell these kids a line of bull, then they are indentured servants here getting paid peanuts living in small apartments.
Somebody mentioned earlier "you have to prove their are not Americans to hire...."
Yeah, they are getting around that. I see it first hand. That isn't stopping anyone.
The only people it benefits are corporate heads who want to pay people less. It's unreal that it's gone on this long. This and illegal immigration prove that the government doesn't care about average people.
I see it firsthand also and I agree with your assessment. Also note that many(possibly most?) that come on H1B visas to work in the US, they get greencards and become permanent residents after so many years. I have known many H1B visa holders and the goal of every single one of them was to get a green card and stay in the US permanently. You cannot blame them, actually. I would do the same if I was in their shoes.
If 100k H1Bs holders got greencards each year, then over 15 years this would be 1.5 million new permanent residents/legal immigrants that are added to the US workforce to compete for jobs with US citizens(and also compete with new H1B visa holders , which there is an allowtment of new H1B holders each year). So if there are 1.5 million here as greencard holders, then how could politicians give the (false) argument about US schools not teaching enough math and science (thus the need to increase H1B allotment). Because it's not just US schooled workers competing for the jobs, it's also the 1.5 million + former H1B holders that converted to permanent residents.
IT industry ONLY relies on smart and hardworking people. It does not require natural resources or transportation, etc.
If you do not import smart people, you turn to mediocre ones, and countries like China get the smart ones. Very simple.
How about the 1.5 million former H1B holders that were already imported to the US and got their greencards and became permanent residents. Why import more when those that were imported before stayed forever.
Also note that many(possibly most?) that come on H1B visas to work in the US, they get greencards and become permanent residents after so many years.
I have not seen any statistics that suggest H-1B frequently leads to a green card. If you know of some data I'd love to see it.
What I've seen about H-1B to green card is this :
Between the two biggest users, Infosys and Tata, they sponsored 12,432 H-1B's, and a total of 7 got green cards.
Someone said earlier in the thread that it costs the sponsor $10,000 to offer a green card. And I'm not aware of any incentive the employer has to offer it in the first place. So I don't think the program is designed for easy immigration. That's probably why they call it a "non immigrant visa."
I see it firsthand also and I agree with your assessment. Also note that many(possibly most?) that come on H1B visas to work in the US, they get greencards and become permanent residents after so many years. I have known many H1B visa holders and the goal of every single one of them was to get a green card and stay in the US permanently. You cannot blame them, actually. I would do the same if I was in their shoes.
If 100k H1Bs holders got greencards each year, then over 15 years this would be 1.5 million new permanent residents/legal immigrants that are added to the US workforce to compete for jobs with US citizens(and also compete with new H1B visa holders , which there is an allowtment of new H1B holders each year). So if there are 1.5 million here as greencard holders, then how could politicians give the (false) argument about US schools not teaching enough math and science (thus the need to increase H1B allotment). Because it's not just US schooled workers competing for the jobs, it's also the 1.5 million + former H1B holders that converted to permanent residents.
Most H1Bs do not become green card. It usually takes 10 years and probably around $20K to do.
There is a per country quota on how many green card can be issued to employment based immigration.
"Per-country cap: 7% of the total annual family-sponsored and employment-based preference limits. If the limits are 226,000 and 140,000, respectively, the per-country limit will be 25,620, which is 7% of (226,000 + 140,000). Furthermore, the per-country cap of 25,620 is divided into family-based limit (15,820) and employment-based limit (9800)." Visa Bulletin: Immigrant Visa Annual Limits and Caps
Remember that Disney laid off hundreds of IT workers in Orlando and replaced them with imports with H1B visas.
When travel or vacation planning, thinking about what movie to see, or buying ridiculously expensive merchandise for the kiddies, keep in mind what Disney has done and don't book their cruises, don't go to their parks, hotels, or movies, and don't buy any Disney merchandise.
Boycott the bastards. I am.
Why do you object to a capitalist business seeking to reduce their overhead by replacing more expensive workers by less expensive workers who obviously can d the work needed to be done. This maximizes capital in the owners or Disney stock and makes the use f Disney capital more efficient. To do otherwise would be mismanagement of a capitalist business. If you think businesses should only run to benefit the workers at the cost of increasing capital you must be a MARXIST or worse a SOCIALIST?.
How about the 1.5 million former H1B holders that were already imported to the US and got their greencards and became permanent residents. Why import more when those that were imported before stayed forever.
It's 65000 a year. It would take a lot more than 20 years to have 1.5 million H1Bs. No they do not become green card holders most of the time.
Let's not lose sight on the elephant in the room, 50 million illegal immigrants.
I was planning another trip to Disney, and I found out about this mess. Why on earth am I paying a small fortune to stay somewhere they don't value Americans? I am fine with H1B workers if they actually can't get workers, but to lay off Americans and have them TRAIN the new replacements is a slap in the face. They obviously were good workers, Disney just wanted to save a buck. You don't have terrible workers train anyone.
Geez. I thought Disney stood for something more than just a money grubbing company. Where is their loyalty?
It did once when Walt Disney was in charge. Walt Disney was a very creative, visionary man who wanted to build EPCOT as the "Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow" to test out technologies like closed cycle recycling and solar power and troubleshoot them in a living breathing community. Disney believed in the future hence all the World of Tomorrow episodes on "The Wonderful World of Disney" TV program. What we got instead is another theme park ! Cheap thrills instead of a World of Tomorrow!
I get tired of this whining about legal immigrants coming here for jobs. The problem is that America simply doesn't turn out enough tech and science graduates to fill the demand for these jobs. The unemployment rate for college educated people is 3.5% right now; for those with a PhD it is 2.1%. If you can't find a job in these times, you better look at yourself and not try to blame it on foreigners.
American-born Millennials that do get these degrees are often averse to hard work and spoiled by an entitlement mentality. For American companies, it's either hire H1B folks or outsource the work to India. Which would you prefer?
I get tired of this whining about legal immigrants coming here for jobs. The problem is that America simply doesn't turn out enough tech and science graduates to fill the demand for these jobs. The unemployment rate for college educated people is 3.5% right now; for those with a PhD it is 2.1%. If you can't find a job in these times, you better look at yourself and not try to blame it on foreigners.
American-born Millennials that do get these degrees are often averse to hard work and spoiled by an entitlement mentality. For American companies, it's either hire H1B folks or outsource the work to India. Which would you prefer?
I am getting tired of this whining about legal foreign workers coming here for jobs while there's not a fart in the wind about the MASSIVE MASSIVE illegal immigrants flooding into our countries and destroying the life of our poor fellow Americans.
Let's fix that and then we talk about legal foreign worker programs.
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