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Old 12-15-2015, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Idaho
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First off, the guy was an idiot, got himself caught and paid the price for it for five years. He very much deserves to be be court marshaled and he will have his day to try to defend his actions. If I have to guess, he will serve a lengthy sentence (assuming he is not issued a presidential pardon), but not a life sentence.

That being said, some of the comments in this thread border on the psychotic. For example:

"Not to my knowledge, but he was the central point that Obama used and caused his own capture and pled for rescue. Not a smart individual who expected special treatment for his idiotic antics."

So he should just be left to rot because he made a stupid decision? Ok fine, I guess if you drive a little too fast on a rainy day and slam your car into a light pole, the paramedics should just let you die because it's your own fault.

If you accidentally leave the stove on and the house catches on fire, they should just let it burn because you were an idiot....right?

If you slip on ice in your driveway and break your leg, the hospital should turn you away because you should have put salt down first....it's own fault.

Slippery slope people. But then again, I'm sure nobody that is making these comments has ever needed help from anybody else in correcting a mistake that they made...
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Old 12-15-2015, 03:56 PM
 
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Some here have indicated he should be executed, I am just responding asking for the historical examples. Should be easy since there were a few hundred thousand deserters over the last 80 years.
As others have stated, how many of those deserters were traded for the likes of such...

Why do you not understand or comprehend that question?

Desertion HAS happened, but how many deserters were captured and then traded for the same poeople that bergdhal was traded for........?
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Old 12-15-2015, 03:57 PM
 
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There have been thousands that left their post and deserted over the decades, you want to punish Bergdahl because you don't agree with the prisoner exchange.
So, you cannot answer....got it!
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Old 12-15-2015, 03:59 PM
 
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He deserted in the face if the enemy. While deployed. Under arms with his unit depending on him.

Deserting while in the US pales in severity compared to what Bergdahl did.
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Old 12-15-2015, 04:01 PM
 
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Bergdahl left his post, he had nothing to do with the prisoner exchange why would that even be considered in the sentencing.

Holy crap, if bergdhal had never left the exchange never would have happened....
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Old 12-15-2015, 04:04 PM
 
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One of the questions military leaders do ask--and he will be judged by military leaders--is "what the hell was his chain of command thinking?" as they review his record, which clearly shows he should have been booted long before he deserted


Following the Ft Hood shooting--which was also a severe case of "what the hell was his chain of command thinking?"--this kind of thing should get a lot more attention in the Army.

And yet hassan is still getting major pay....
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Old 12-15-2015, 04:07 PM
 
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No, he won't. Obama's opinion might have some effect on his sentence, but not on the verdict. The president is not God and not even Santa Claus. The voting of the court-martial panel is secret.


It really annoys me that people have so little respect for military officers and NCOs as to think that they bend over so easily to every whim of the president at every opportunity.


They do not.

The only thing in this thread I can agree with you on.
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Old 12-15-2015, 04:16 PM
 
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And yet hassan is still getting major pay....
No, he is not. Immediately upon sentencing last year, Hassan was stripped of rank, then dismissed from the Army.
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Old 12-15-2015, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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As others have stated, how many of those deserters were traded for the likes of such...

Why do you not understand or comprehend that question?

Desertion HAS happened, but how many deserters were captured and then traded for the same poeople that bergdhal was traded for........?
So let me get this straight, because this administration made a prisoner exchange for Bergdahl his punishment should be more severe. You want to hold him responsible for a decision that was made by others, do you understand what your saying?
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Old 12-15-2015, 04:27 PM
 
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So let me get this straight, because this administration made a prisoner exchange for Bergdahl his punishment should be more severe.
No, he deserted, period end of story.....but if he would have never left, the exchange would have never happened, would it? His punishment should be based off his desertion, period.....





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You want to hold him responsible for a decision that was made by others, do you understand what your saying?

Why can you not figure out that if he never would have left, the exchange would have never happened?
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