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Old 12-30-2015, 08:52 PM
 
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LOL. That graph is trending warmer.... I can see why no "Best fit line" was applied.
Yes, no one disputes that is has warmed over the last 37 years of satellite data. It has at the tune of 0.11C per decade. This is less than the GISS/NOAA ground readings. Btw, current decadal trend using satellite data is slower than the decadal warming rate of the late 19th and early 20th century when the decadal rates were 0.16C+


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH1IqosUAAAXYTo.jpg


The last 19 years the trend is basically flat in the satellite record
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Old 12-31-2015, 07:22 AM
 
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^^

Using satellites, 2015 is not the warmest year. Certainly 1998 is warmer, and 2010 will most likely be warmer over the satellite record

As for that storm that will melt the North Pole


PhD Operational Scientist shows this


and here are 6 hourlyreanalysis temp data from North Pole courtesy of RyanMaue, plotted mean, max, min temps for Decembers including this one throughout the satellite record.



Check out NOAA's (GHCNM) land only thermometers globally. Notice the gaping grey zones with no instruments that are thousands of square miles wide?




Now notice the infilling they do when the include the ocean instruments


Cool trick this "gridding" they do

Which is why satellite instruments are a better tool. Encompass the entire earth and don't only measure the first 2 meters of the surface, but the first 5000 ft of the atmosphere.
Is Ryan Maue as useless at physics or hold the same ridiculously ignorant opinion as Joe Bastardi from Weatherbell that "carbon dioxide cannot cause global warming because this would violate the first law of thermodynamics"?


I find that most people who claim that satellite 'temperature data' is 'better' than the surface data don't have a clue about what is actually being measured and how, or any of the issues with satellite data.

Clouds Depress Satellite Warming Trend Says Study

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By the way, the satellites don't 'encompass the entire earth', they don't cover the poles.

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Old 12-31-2015, 07:44 AM
 
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Yes, no one disputes that is has warmed over the last 37 years of satellite data. It has at the tune of 0.11C per decade. This is less than the GISS/NOAA ground readings. Btw, current decadal trend using satellite data is slower than the decadal warming rate of the late 19th and early 20th century when the decadal rates were 0.16C+


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH1IqosUAAAXYTo.jpg


The last 19 years the trend is basically flat in the satellite record
What's the source for your claims?
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Old 12-31-2015, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Originally Posted by chicagogeorge View Post
^^

Using satellites, 2015 is not the warmest year. Certainly 1998 is warmer, and 2010 will most likely be warmer over the satellite record

As for that storm that will melt the North Pole


PhD Operational Scientist shows this

https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/682268602255331328


and here are 6 hourlyreanalysis temp data from North Pole courtesy of RyanMaue, plotted mean, max, min temps for Decembers including this one throughout the satellite record.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXgW-CsWcAEGj_C.png:large

Check out NOAA's (GHCNM) land only thermometers globally. Notice the gaping grey zones with no instruments that are thousands of square miles wide?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTnOM6qWEAAZG62.png


Now notice the infilling they do when the include the ocean instruments

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/servi...ntp/201509.gif

Cool trick this "gridding" they do

Which is why satellite instruments are a better tool. Encompass the entire earth and don't only measure the first 2 meters of the surface, but the first 5000 ft of the atmosphere.
You are not playing fair. Using facts to make the AGW alarmists angry is not fair.
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Old 12-31-2015, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Meanwhile, CO2 is going through the roof..... GW, not so much. There is not even correlation, much less causation.

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Old 12-31-2015, 08:30 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Actually that is not true....We consider sites that research and publish papers in scientific journals, valid sites....What you deniers post are sites that are based on opinion only, as long as that opinion agrees with yours, and their opinions are as worthless as yours.
What is a denier?


Deniers believe the climate is getting warmer. the climate is in constant flux, no big surprise, after it gets warmer it gets colder.


Deniers believe reasonable environmental regs.


Deniers do not believe the taxation and costly regulation will make any difference above economically sound regulations. No project plan to show money spent, timelines to achieve effective results and when and what final success is defined as.


Deniers believe the regualtions and taxation are a money making scheme and an attempt to impose a radical extemist environmental agenda. the partnership of the extremeists with the obama administraion is a win for both partners and a loss for America.


when someone tells you the science is settled, it is a scam.


So tell me, during the sun/earths 226 million year journey around the milky way, what periodic events are expected to occur on earth?


Do you deny periodic changes occur?
If just circling the sun and the earth tilting on its axis produces 'seasons' where the earth heats up and cools down, what similar periodic change occurs during the orbit through the milky way?


Do you deny that periodic changes occur during that 226 million year orbit?
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Old 12-31-2015, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Meanwhile, CO2 is going through the roof..... GW, not so much. There is not even correlation, much less causation.



I don't suppose you have a link to your temperature graph, NOAA seems to disagree with your findings regarding.




"A new study published online today in the journal Science finds that the rate of global warming during the last 15 years has been as fast as or faster than that seen during the latter half of the 20th century. The study refutes the notion that there has been a slowdown or “hiatus” in the rate of global warming in recent years."


https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/file/no-sl...warming-webjpg




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Old 12-31-2015, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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I don't suppose you have a link to your temperature graph, NOAA seems to disagree with your findings regarding.




"A new study published online today in the journal Science finds that the rate of global warming during the last 15 years has been as fast as or faster than that seen during the latter half of the 20th century. The study refutes the notion that there has been a slowdown or “hiatus” in the rate of global warming in recent years."


https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/file/no-sl...warming-webjpg




Now go to NOAA and plot the temperature over:

The last 10,000 years.

The last 100,000 years.

The last 2,000,000 years.

The last 60,000,000 years.

What's the long-term trend.
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Old 12-31-2015, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Originally Posted by chicagogeorge View Post
Yes, no one disputes that is has warmed over the last 37 years of satellite data. It has at the tune of 0.11C per decade. This is less than the GISS/NOAA ground readings. Btw, current decadal trend using satellite data is slower than the decadal warming rate of the late 19th and early 20th century when the decadal rates were 0.16C+


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH1IqosUAAAXYTo.jpg


The last 19 years the trend is basically flat in the satellite record

Yeah, but the people who call you a "science denier" disregard those silly satellites.
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Old 12-31-2015, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Now go to NOAA and plot the temperature over:

The last 10,000 years.

The last 100,000 years.

The last 2,000,000 years.

The last 60,000,000 years.

What's the long-term trend.
The discussion we were having was the last 100 years, we can get to your question another time.


This is where Roadking goes for his science, what scientific site posts a graph that indicates "makes a mockery of Obama", why even attempt to have a serious debate. This is silly but then what else do you have but unscientific blogs.


As for your question, yes it has been both warmer and cooler in the past and I am willing to bet you don't even know why, specifically not in general terms. But that is not the argument, , do you believe it isn't warming because some people on here can't even move past that obvious fact.


Maybe we should argue if gravity exists, I am sure you can find a blog that indicates it doesn't and it's a government conspiracy.




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