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View Poll Results: Saturday Night
Yes, and will probably vote in the Democratic primary 28 23.14%
Yes, but only for entertainment 17 14.05%
No, but I will DVR 3 2.48%
No, nothing any of them say is worth my time. 73 60.33%
Voters: 121. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-22-2015, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Not only is Hillary a liar but in most cases her lies are 180 degrees opposite from the truth. She lied about Trump being in ISIS videos when in reality it is her husband that is in the ISIS recruiting video. How stupid can you liberals be?
Bill Clinton Was In An ISIS Recruitment Video | The Daily Caller
First, Clinton never claimed Trump was used in ISIS videos. These are her exact words:
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“He is becoming ISIS’s best recruiter. They are going to people showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Islam and Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists.”
Second, while there might not be an actual video [yet] (that we know about) it is known that ISIS is using Trump in their recruitment campaign. This is the documented report:

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The Republican presidential candidate’s controversial proposal for barring all Muslims from entering the United States is being used by the head-chopping fanatics and other terrorist groups like al Qaeda to attract recruits by painting the land of the free as opposed to Islam, experts told NBC News on Tuesday.

“They love him [Trump] from the sense that he is supporting their rhetoric,” said Rita Katz with the SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors the social media activities of Islamic terrorist groups.


“They follow everything Donald Trump says,” she noted. “When he says, ‘No Muslims should be allowed in America,’ they tell people, ‘We told you America hates Muslims and here is proof.'
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Old 12-22-2015, 09:14 AM
 
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Default Balance is key...

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What's ironic is that while the GOP narrative is that "Hillary is a liar," the GOP candidates have been fact-checked and are telling whopper lies and their base just doesn't care.

What I find refreshing about the Democratic debates is that when Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders debate on any topic, it's a real discussion, with both candidates evidently well informed about the issues -- while the Republican debates are completely dumbed down -- with leading candidates give credence to junk science regarding vaccines; Cruz telling us that they can pin-point carpet bombings (a contradiction in terms) and telling us how wonderful the gold standard would be; Trump not knowing what the nuclear triad is, etc.

When it comes to lies, Factcheck.org calls Trump The ‘King of Whoppers.' saying, "He stands out not only for the sheer number of his factually false claims, but also for his brazen refusals to admit error when proven wrong."
I agree. You read what conservatives think, and you would think Obama, Hillary and all Democrats are not only liars but intent on bringing down our country. You read what those more liberal think (like me), and in comparison to the cast of GOP characters, the DEMS seem like saints! Also there is no doubt that so far the DEM debates have been far more presidential in terms of look, sound and substance than any GOP debate by far.

There are the occasional comments in these threads that seem more inclined toward balance and reason, though far too few compared to the rest, so we get what we deserve I guess, but no doubt we can do better...

I noticed an Air Force commercial on TV last night that includes clips/quotes of Reagan, JFK, GW and ending with Clinton, all for the purpose of inspiring our next wave of "America's finest." Maybe we should try to consider the same sort of even-handed appreciation for what both sides offer in terms of balance.

I mean if the Air Force can do it...
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Old 12-22-2015, 11:11 AM
 
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First, Clinton never claimed Trump was used in ISIS videos. These are her exact words:
Second, while there might not be an actual video [yet] (that we know about) it is known that ISIS is using Trump in their recruitment campaign. This is the documented report:
Good let them think we hate them, then they won't want to come here.
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Old 12-22-2015, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Good let them think we hate them, then they won't want to come here.
I don't think that's how this works. How it does work is that it becomes a tool to recruit and radicalize young impressionable minds and doesn't work in our favor.
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Old 12-22-2015, 01:10 PM
 
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I don't think that's how this works. How it does work is that it becomes a tool to recruit and radicalize young impressionable minds and doesn't work in our favor.
I am so tired of that PC stuff.

Muslims have been fighting each other and the rest of the world before America was even a dream of a country.

Everything isn't always our fault.
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Old 12-22-2015, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I am so tired of that PC stuff.

Muslims have been fighting each other and the rest of the world before America was even a dream of a country.

Everything isn't always our fault.
Yeah, it's just Muslims.

From 1400 through 1700, Europe was constantly battling other European countries. From 1600-1750, the English, Scottish and Dutch constantly at war.

18th Century and after:
English Civil War
King Philip's War
French & Indian/Seven Years' War
American Revolution
French Revolutionary & Napoleonic Wars
The Quasi-War
War of 1812
Second Seminole War
Mexican-American War
American Civil War
Spanish-American War
World War I
World War II
Korean War
Vietnam War
The Falklands War
The Gulf War

I have no idea what "PC stuff" you mean. I want to have policies that reduce the number of radicals that ISIS recruits. Giving cause to them believing that the U.S. is at war with their religion works against that goal.
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Old 12-22-2015, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Honestly, my husband will want to, me I do not know. Hillary is not even up against a Democrat but she will play socialist and we all know that it will be a smooze and love fest for Hillary.

Actually, what difference does it make? Everyone knows it's Hillary. And we all know if Hillary moves her lips she's pandering. Hillary is just way to pandering and fake for me. Fingernails on the blackboard fake.
At this point... why do they still call it a debate?

This is the second-time Bernie spent much of his time apologizing to and praising Hillary. Last time I checked a debate was not what these jokers are participating in.
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...it becomes a tool to recruit and radicalize young impressionable minds and doesn't work in our favor.
Let's not hurt their feelings, otherwise they might decide to kill us!

Liberal logic always says compromise through being nice, (except toward conservatives) even with extremists who have no intention of compromising and wish to kill us no matter how nice we play.
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Old 12-22-2015, 04:07 PM
 
Location: NJ
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At this point... why do they still call it a debate?

This is the second-time Bernie spent much of his time apologizing to and praising Hillary. Last time I checked a debate was not what these jokers are participating in.


Let's not hurt their feelings, otherwise they might decide to kill us!

Liberal logic always says compromise through being nice, (except toward conservatives) even with extremists who have no intention of compromising and wish to kill us no matter how nice we play.
I'll bet the DNC is paying the other two 'debaters' just to appear on stage.
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Old 12-22-2015, 04:23 PM
 
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Who in their right mind advocates the government having control of ANYTHING over the private sector?

Cost the government billions of dollars to build a website that didn't work.

Government spent 43 million building a gas station.

You let the government take over healthcare and there goes the healthcare system. We'll no longer have the best hospitals and technology and procedures in the world.

I can't bleieve that everyone, Republican and Democrat, doesn't see that government serves no other purpose than to get in the way.
The government takes care of healthcare in Canada just fine, and delivers excellent healthcare for pennies on the dollar compared to what the U.S. spends. Medicare operates more efficiently than than the for-profit health insurance companies.

When has private industry ever done anything but try to maximize profits? Why do you need a blood-sucking leech like the health insurance companies as middle-men? Deliver healthcare directly to the citizens and this country would save billions.
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Old 12-22-2015, 04:29 PM
 
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That's how the free market works natalie....

I'll wager that the average factory worker probably works harder in a week than an athlete does, yet they'll make more for one game than the worker will in his entire life...

But people pay the ticket prices to see the athlete. The athlete provides a service, and people voluntarily pay for it.... Fair and free market...

That explains why, for example, women in the WNBA get paid so mucbh less than men in the NBA. They do the same thing, so if a Democrat had their way, they'd get the same pay.

Yet, the women in the WNBA don't draw near the crowd or the advertising, because there is less demand for their talent, so why should they get paid the same?

Free market rules.
But the free market doesn't need to rule everything. Everything that is determined by the free market is not always the best outcome for the common good. There's nothing god-like about the free market. It's not always the best choice for everything.

I'm not talking about regulating professional athletes' salaries, let the free market determine that. But when it comes to regulating the costs of healthcare for example, a for-profit system is never going to put the patient first, it is going to put profits first. There are some things, like protecting the environment, or education, that you cannot leave up to the free market because the free market is all about profits, not ethics, common good, sustainability, etc.
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