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So you're saying that starting out at $29-33k a year is an acceptable salary for a teacher? That's low enough to qualify for welfare in many situations.
As I said, the absolute minimum a first year teacher in my area would earn is 30k (by law). Most will start closer to 35k. BUT a good house can be bought for 50k.
And don't forget their benefits are decent.
So nope, not going to convince ME that these folks are living in poverty (but then again, I work with the poor day in and day out, so I know what poverty really means).
I supplemented my teaching salary by working in the potato house or driving a potato truck during harvest. I also would coach, etc. I liked doing it. That all brought me in another 5 k per year, on top of a 25 k salary (this was 25 years ago).
As I said, the absolute minimum a first year teacher in my area would earn is 30k (by law). Most will start closer to 35k. BUT a good house can be bought for 50k.
And don't forget their benefits are decent.
So nope, not going to convince ME that these folks are living in poverty (but then again, I work with the poor day in and day out, so I know what poverty really means).
I supplemented my teaching salary by working in the potato house or driving a potato truck during harvest. I also would coach, etc. I liked doing it. That all brought me in another 5 k per year, on top of a 25 k salary (this was 25 years ago).
So your reasoning is it isn't poverty because it wasn't poverty for you?
I see. So anecdotal evidence trumps factual information for you.
It is usually two years until tenure. At any age level.
It is almost impossible to fire teachers. I know: I was a union rep.
Any STEM teacher, or specialty teacher, can find a job almost anywhere.
Baloney, as a principal I fired or got rid of more than one. If you can make your case with evidence, it's not difficult. And if it is difficult, they probably shouldn't be fired, but may need assistance.
So your reasoning is it isn't poverty because it wasn't poverty for you?
I see. So anecdotal evidence trumps factual information for you.
I have worked closely with thousands of families in my area, at all income levels. I know the dynamics of poverty and employment in my area very well. I would hardly call that "anectdotal".
It wasn't poverty for me, no. And since then, teacher salaries in my area have only risen (in both hard dollars and also in relative terms to others).
I have given you figures and factual information for my area. You simply can't see beyond your blinders.
I have worked closely with thousands of families in my area, at all income levels. I know the dynamics of poverty and employment in my area very well. I would hardly call that "anectdotal".
It wasn't poverty for me, no. And since then, teacher salaries in my area have only risen (in both hard dollars and also in relative terms to others).
I have given you figures and factual information for my area. You simply can't see beyond your blinders.
So I have blinders because I can see beyond your area? That makes sense.
I think it's pretty interesting when you read the posts in this thread by self proclaimed teachers they are mostly very angry and defensive. None of them are saying they should have opportunities to work more and earn more money. They all just want it handed to them. Just more evidence of how corrupt that profession has become.
I think it's pretty interesting when you read the posts in this thread by self proclaimed teachers they are mostly very angry and defensive. None of them are saying they should have opportunities to work more and earn more money. They all just want it handed to them. Just more evidence of how corrupt that profession has become.
That's an interesting take. My read on this thread has been quite different. No, I'm not a teacher.
Yeah, clearly some of those states are just rolling in it. But at least the school system for their benefits right? Except that's not actually an across the board thing. A lot of school districts make you pay for your benefits. That retirement though, that's a solid bump of at least $40k+ a year so that most the states can actually reach that six figure mark you're claiming teachers make after all is said and done right?
As for job security, there are a lot of places in this country right now where finding a teaching job is near impossible. Tenure also doesn't really exist in most grade schools. That's more a university/college thing.
I'm not saying that teachers make too much by any means, but the averages on that site seem very low for my area in NJ. We have a website that lists every teacher and their salary, and I rarely see salaries below $60k. And they go up to $130k. We even have gym teachers and music teachers making 6 figures. Maybe the teachers in the southern part of the state make less than up in the NYC area, but I can't imagine it is so much less that it brings the average down so significantly. As an example, here is one town in Northern NJ...
Day shift, no weekends, no holidays, all summer off and making more then a nurse. Sorry, overpaid.
You are completely clueless if you think the only time teachers work is during the school day. Many teachers spend more time on lesson planning, grading papers, conferences, updating certifications, training on new teaching methods, etc. than they spend teaching, so it can easily be an 80+ hour job.
I'm not saying that teachers make too much by any means, but the averages on that site seem very low for my area in NJ. We have a website that lists every teacher and their salary, and I rarely see salaries below $60k. And they go up to $130k. We even have gym teachers and music teachers making 6 figures. Maybe the teachers in the southern part of the state make less than up in the NYC area, but I can't imagine it is so much less that it brings the average down so significantly. As an example, here is one town in Northern NJ...
AMD the NJ average for a teacher is about $67,000. I believe you are in . I would bet the average around you is closer to $80,000.
In Ocean county the high salary is $85,000 in some towns.
Here is link for teachers in Milburn not supervisors
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