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Is it? Free exercise of religion and religious liberty is the issue in both cases. Muslimes don't want to handle liquor, Christians don't want to cater to (or bake cakes for) 'gay' so-called 'weddings.'
This has nothing to do with Muslims or Christians. This has to do with anti discrimination laws that business owners must follow and reasonable accommodation laws for the religion of employees that business owner's must follow as long as it doesn't have more than a minimal impact on their business when the business themselves in this case admitted that it wouldn't have more than a minimal impact on their business.
This has nothing to do with Muslims or Christians. This has to do with anti discrimination laws that business owners must follow and reasonable accommodation lawsfor the religion of employees that business owner's must follow as long as it doesn't have more than a minimal impact on their business when the business themselves in this case admitted that it wouldn't have more than a minimal impact on their business.
Business owners are self-employed. They ARE employees of the business. A referral to another baker who would provide the services requested should suffice.
The principle is the same. Christians are forced to violate their religious beliefs, but Muslims get protected. I just want to see what happens when a gay couple demands a wedding cake from a Muslim bakery!
Can I just point out that plenty of Christians couldn't care less who they're baking cakes for -- a sale is a sale. Some Christian sects are fine with homosexuality and others are dead against it. There's no such variation in Islam -- alcohol is not allowed for anyone, period dot.
Seriously? I have a male friend who wears a size 14 shoe. Most shoe stores choose to not carry that size. When they have chosen to not provide that size, they refer my male friend to online shoe store websites that do.
Guess what? He doesn't feel discriminated against. It is absolutely the shoe store owners' right to carry and sell whichever size shoes they wish.
Yes, but they don't carry the size 14 as you stated, no one is forcing the business to offer something they don't carry, but rather offer to everyone equally what they do carry. Using your analogy would be if the business actually carried the size 14 but refused to provide it to your friend.
Business owners are self-employed. They ARE employees of the business. A referral to another baker who would provide the services requested should suffice.
They can have someone else provide the service in their business if they so choose, instead of doing it themselves, but sending them to another place entirely doesn't meet the reasonable accommodation clause. If a business offers a specific service they have to provide that service equally, if they can't do it then they can't provide that service.
Seriously? I have a male friend who wears a size 14 shoe. Most shoe stores choose to not carry that size. When they have chosen to not provide that size, they refer my male friend to online shoe store websites that do.
Guess what? He doesn't feel discriminated against. It is absolutely the shoe store owners' right to carry and sell whichever size shoes they wish.
Exactly. Buy a cake off the shelf, you're good to go. Try to order a cake for which services aren't provided? No go. If the baker refers the client to another business which offers the product/services the client wishes to purchase, that should be the end of it. Reasonable accommodation has been made.
Exactly. Buy a cake off the shelf, you're good to go. Try to order a cake for which services aren't provided? No go. If the baker refers the client to another business which offers the product/services the client wishes to purchase, that should be the end of it. Reasonable accommodation has been made.
A bakery doesn't provide wedding cakes for SSMs. No one should force the business to offer something they don't provide. Same thing.
A bakery provides wedding cakes, they should provide the wedding cakes to everyone period or not provide wedding cakes to anyone.
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