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Old 12-28-2015, 01:56 PM
 
Location: NYC
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This isn't the first time that ****heads calling 911 giving bad information has lead to police going all in. The guy in the Walmart comes to mind. But honestly, police shouldn't just rely on caller statements and should establish what's going on for themselves.

This situation is disgusting even moreso since we all pretty much knew this was how it would play out. Our policing policies need to be gutted and rebuilt from the bottom up and everyone needs to be retrained or booted.

First thing you do as an officer is assess the situation, regardless of what you heard from dispatch (has a gun or no weapons reported), the officer on site should be assessing the threat for himself. First thing he did incorrectly was vehicle placement. Should've been parked on the street, dash-cam facing incident and doors open and available for cover.

Second was no verbal warning to the assailant (IE lay your weapon down slowly). No attempt to properly arrest was made, they fully brought any danger upon themselves and should be held accountable in all of these poor judgements that led to a very avoidable fatality.
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Old 12-28-2015, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Transition Island
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How is a valuable lesson supposed to be learned when those who should be teaching it are the ones you see on TV crying about how Rice was a great little boy who would never do anything wrong (except wave a gun at people in a public park of course)?

They know now and that is what matters. Strange fruit will always be present for blacks here in America. If they hung your children and fed them to alligators, what makes you think that it is acceptable for your child to walk around with a play gun and not be killed? The same mindset lives on, so blacks better stop trying to fit in where they cannot get in. The killing field will never be equal.
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Old 12-28-2015, 01:58 PM
 
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I'm not one of the people who completely dismisses this case, I see things the cops could have done better, but this false narrative that he was just a little kid playing with a toy gun is not helping anything. He had his identity concealed with a hat and a hoodie, stood 5'7", weighed 170lbs. There was no way to know he was 12 y/o. Also, he was aiming an exact replica .9mm pistol at people in front of a rec center for kids. This was not a 5 y/o with a cowboy hat & silver Roy Rogers cap gun. Compare the Airsoft "Toy" (with orange barrel indicator) to the real deal. Rice removed the orange barrel indicator. This was not a case of racist White cops murdering a Black child for fun.
You mean outside of the 911 caller saying they believed it was a kid?
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Old 12-28-2015, 02:00 PM
 
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This isn't the first time that ****heads calling 911 giving bad information has lead to police going all in. The guy in the Walmart comes to mind. But honestly, police shouldn't just rely on caller statements and should establish what's going on for themselves.

This situation is disgusting even moreso since we all pretty much knew this was how it would play out. Our policing policies need to be gutted and rebuilt from the bottom up and everyone needs to be retrained or booted.

First thing you do as an officer is assess the situation, regardless of what you heard from dispatch (has a gun or no weapons reported), the officer on site should be assessing the threat for himself. First thing he did incorrectly was vehicle placement. Should've been parked on the street, dash-cam facing incident and doors open and available for cover.

Second was no verbal warning to the assailant (IE lay your weapon down slowly). No attempt to properly arrest was made, they fully brought any danger upon themselves and should be held accountable in all of these poor judgements that led to a very avoidable fatality.
All despite the fact that the officer said he did multiple times. He lied.
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Old 12-28-2015, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Transition Island
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You mean outside of the 911 caller saying they believed it was a kid?
He could have been a toddler, and they still would have killed him.
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Old 12-28-2015, 02:02 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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In my opinion the cops got too close to Rice when they approached him, which meant the cop on the passenger side didn't have proper time to react. It's perfectly reasonable though that he would have his gun drawn as he exited the car. If that had been a real gun, there would be no time to unholster, aim and fire. They were responding to a report of a man pointing a hand gun at people in front of a rec center for kids. You couldn't tell he was a 12 y/o. His identity was concealed with the hat & hoodie. He was 5'7" and 170lbs, the size of a grown man. When Rice pulled up his sweatshirt and reached for the gun (which he did), the cop had no time to react and shot. I'm not claiming Rice pulled the gun out. No, he never got the chance because as he was reaching for it, the cop shot him. The cop clearly thought this was all real. That's easy to see as the cop, after firing, dives to the ground and scurries for cover behind the trunk of the squad car. Why? Because he incorrectly thought he was in a gun fight. Sad. Tragic. Perhaps even irresponsible on the part of the cop driving that car. Certainly not murder though.
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Old 12-28-2015, 02:03 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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He could have been a toddler, and they still would have killed him.
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Old 12-28-2015, 02:04 PM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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They know now and that is what matters. Strange fruit will always be present for blacks here in America. If they hung your children and fed them to alligators, what makes you think that it is acceptable for your child to walk around with a play gun and not be killed? The same mindset lives on, so blacks better stop trying to fit in where they cannot get in. The killing field will never be equal.
This is the exact kind of extreme stupidity that lead to Tamir Rice getting shot and killed, I'm sure his mother and you take lessons from the same social justice handbooks.
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Old 12-28-2015, 02:05 PM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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He could have been a toddler, and they still would have killed him.
He could have had a real gun too, the only person in that park who knew it was a toy was Tamir Rice and if it were real you would still be upset about him getting shot.
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Old 12-28-2015, 02:07 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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You mean outside of the 911 caller saying they believed it was a kid?
He never said that. The 911 caller referred to Rice as a "Guy" at one point and at one point said "He's probably a juvenile". Prisons are filled with violent juveniles. Not quite the same as saying he believed he was a kid. Also, 911 never passed that info on to the police. How could they have known?
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