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Old 01-02-2016, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Japan
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Come on, OP. Numbers have actual meanings.
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Old 01-02-2016, 06:18 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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And they want us to believe them when they tell us they can adequately vet and keep track of the
Muslim refugees they are forcing on us.

That too.
It cannot turn out well, like the VISA program has no accountability.
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Old 01-02-2016, 06:20 PM
 
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Only when forced, do they leave.

The Federal government has no clue who has overstayed their VISA's?


Much less, who is here without any VISA.
Many F1 visa holders overstay and it seems the K1 visa's are often a scam.

Many times overstaying also has to due with the complicated and long time frames at USCIS.

IMO there should be an overhaul for legal immigration and as most issues of overstaying seem to be related to certain countries the focus should be more on these applicant and not on the ones from countries with less issues. JMO!
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Old 01-02-2016, 06:21 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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That is not necessarily the case. If the USCIS case worker smells a rat - entering the US on a tourist visa (or waiver equivalent) with the intent to marry, or entering into a pro forma marriage - there will be a very interesting adjustment-of-status interview. They're not dumb,

San Bernadino for 1000, Alex!


Ya, sure they will.
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Old 01-02-2016, 06:24 PM
 
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What is the correct data? Not estimated data, actual data.
So, unless we have absolutely PERFECT data, nothing matters. Right? Thats just nonsense. We have pretty good estimate that are valid to make decisions against. Demanding perfect is unwise.
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Old 01-02-2016, 06:29 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Why does have to be written it, couldn't it be oh implied or elastic? The Constitution was written to include that it's called the nessecary and proper clauses and judicial review. Senior class government class comes back to bite you again "my friend.*

Now tell me is it nessecary or proper to own grenade launchers, rocket launchers or worse weapons of mass destruction? Tell me is it nessecary or proper to be able to say fire in a crowded place. I dare you strict constructionists.

The militias intent is defense of the nations soil. You laid out a strawman of offensive weapons designed to take ground and conquer.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Define each word of that sentence.
I certainly see no age, status, or privilege, attached to "the people" in the sentence.... and again, I certainly see no attachment to the definition of "arms", nor do I see "except", after shall not be infringed.
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Old 01-02-2016, 06:33 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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So, unless we have absolutely PERFECT data, nothing matters. Right? Thats just nonsense. We have pretty good estimate that are valid to make decisions against. Demanding perfect is unwise.

Where do you get, nothing matters? If it didn't matter, you would not have typed a reply.
Tracking it to begin with, would be a nice start. Can we agree?
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Old 01-02-2016, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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The militias intent is defense of the nations soil. You laid out a strawman of offensive weapons designed to take ground and conquer.
I laid out a strawman, hmmm let's see... First let's check the definition:
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a sham argument set up to be defeated
A strawman is when the position is easily refuted. My point isn't refuted at all by your post.

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Until an amendment, to the very amendment that clearly says, it is a violation of the amendment, to even try to amend it. Shall not be infringed, is pretty powerful and to the point, that without it, there is no freedom or liberty.

Until that point. Government has no say. Or it would be government infringing on the right to keep and bear arms.

You can consent to relinquishing your freedom. But don't ever think in a million years you're going to consent to give mine away.

That will never happen
Give me liberty or give me death. I will take either.
Your post never clarifies what arms means.
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weapons and ammunition; armaments
Which is a vague term that can include chemical, biological, nuclear weapons and even the RPG, rocket and grenade launchers I spoke of.

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The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Define each word of that sentence.
I certainly see no age, status, or privilege, attached to "the people" in the sentence.... and again, I certainly see no attachment to the definition of "arms", nor do I see "except", after shall not be infringed.
The problem is the definition of arms is vague to begin with. As I mentioned, arms are weapons so theoretically I can claim owning a rocket launcher under the second amendment due to the second amendment being vague.
FYI, "excepts" exist with the automatic weapons ban from the prohibition days and Brady Bill provisions (though most have been let go.) If these laws are unconstitutional, you are free to file suit against the US government in order to seek a judicial review (the interpretation I spoke of previously.)
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Old 01-04-2016, 10:36 AM
 
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According to our own government and the guy in charge of the program, the departure part has never been tracked. EVER.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/02/us...isas.html?_r=0
That's of course not true. The article describes the lack of a biometric departure tracking system.

The I-94s aren't biometric but they are tracked. How do we know? Because travelers can go look them up online.

http://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/spotligh...e-i-94-webpage

When the system failed and an I94/I94W was lost or mishandled, people would be denied entry on their second visit. Happened quite often back when they were paper.
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Old 01-06-2016, 12:22 AM
 
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Most people with a decent life in their home country do not want to stay in the US illegally.
My parents came here twice and they never want to stay in the US because life here is very boring for them.
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