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Old 01-03-2016, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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Grandstanding attention mongers, rushing in for attention.

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A group of angry anti-government protesters have occupied a building at a national wildlife refuge in Oregon in what they say is an act of solidarity for a pair of ranchers facing jail time for burning government land.

However, the Hammond family, the Oregon ranchers at the center of the dispute, say they don't want them there, reports CBS affiliate KOIN in Portland, Ore.
Oregon ranchers reject Cliven Bundy family occupation - CBS News

Sorry, Hammond family - the useful idiots are going to eat this up.

Cliven Bundy, raving racist who is all bent out of shape over having to pay grazing fees (quelle horreur!) at sweetheart rates ($1.35/animal/month? Big flippin' deal! Pay it, you lazy parasite!) is yet another horrible person who is also a conservative folk hero - alongside serial criminal George Zimmerman; public employee Kim Davis (who refuses to do the job the taxpayers pay here to do; Joe the Plumber (tax cheat who lies about his finances, which he managed to parlay into a GOP nomination for a Congressional election that he lost); pedophile Josh Duggar, and other assorted losers.

Cliven Bundy Wonders If Blacks Are 'Better Off As Slaves' Than On Gov't Assistance

 
Old 01-03-2016, 10:20 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Unsettomati View Post
Grandstanding attention mongers, rushing in for attention.


Oregon ranchers reject Cliven Bundy family occupation - CBS News

Sorry, Hammond family - the useful idiots are going to eat this up.

Cliven Bundy, raving racist who is all bent out of shape over having to pay grazing fees (quelle horreur!) at sweetheart rates ($1.35/animal/month? Big flippin' deal! Pay it, you lazy parasite!) is yet another horrible person who is also a conservative folk hero - alongside serial criminal George Zimmerman; public employee Kim Davis (who refuses to do the job the taxpayers pay here to do; Joe the Plumber (tax cheat who lies about his finances, which he managed to parlay into a GOP nomination for a Congressional election that he lost); pedophile Josh Duggar, and other assorted losers.

Cliven Bundy Wonders If Blacks Are 'Better Off As Slaves' Than On Gov't Assistance
I can't figure out why blacks on public assistance means they are better off as slaves when whites and other races are also on public assistance. Instead of discussing slavery, why not indentured servitude? Oh, that's right, the negroes rightful place is to be subservient to even the lowest white person.
 
Old 01-03-2016, 10:22 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Unsettomati View Post
Grandstanding attention mongers, rushing in for attention.


Oregon ranchers reject Cliven Bundy family occupation - CBS News

Sorry, Hammond family - the useful idiots are going to eat this up.

Cliven Bundy, raving racist who is all bent out of shape over having to pay grazing fees (quelle horreur!) at sweetheart rates ($1.35/animal/month? Big flippin' deal! Pay it, you lazy parasite!) is yet another horrible person who is also a conservative folk hero - alongside serial criminal George Zimmerman; public employee Kim Davis (who refuses to do the job the taxpayers pay here to do; Joe the Plumber (tax cheat who lies about his finances, which he managed to parlay into a GOP nomination for a Congressional election that he lost); pedophile Josh Duggar, and other assorted losers.

Cliven Bundy Wonders If Blacks Are 'Better Off As Slaves' Than On Gov't Assistance
What in the world does Kim Davis, Joe the Plumber, Zimmerman and Duggar have to do with the scenario at hand? Just another opportunity to reiterate the talking points?
 
Old 01-03-2016, 10:29 AM
 
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Originally Posted by whocares811 View Post
Wrong. Here is the full story for those who care to read it.

Full Story on What’s Going on In Oregon – Militia Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution… | The Last Refuge

(In short, this is a protest to combat the federal government's stupidity, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with race. Also, it sounds to me like the Hammonds and those who organized the protest are anything but "nut-jobs", although they probably -- I'm just guessing here -- could be classified as right-wing conservatives who still believe in the rights of private property owners.)

Found this, as well.
Ranchers arrested at wildlife refuge
Probably worth a read.
 
Old 01-03-2016, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Its so weird that this random blog are the only ones in the news with the REAL story. Maybe its the Liberal media all in cahoots with Obama. (imagine the most condescending sarcasm possible when you read that). If that is the real story I will see it on at least Fox News, but if they haven't even posted that, then it may be really unfactual. Although if FOX carries that story, I still don't believe that threats of violence and gun carry are necessary for a protest. Holding a gun gives the message of a threat.

Learn to not have so much confirmation bias. I am sure the blog poster had a lot when he wrote that.
A BBC link:
Oregon: Armed protest at US wildlife building - BBC News
 
Old 01-03-2016, 10:31 AM
 
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Originally Posted by OscarTheGrouch View Post
As I posted in the other thread on this topic:

I would recommend reading the details of what they were convicted of doing before standing up for these poor ranchers:



From: Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison | USAO-OR | Department of Justice

So, yeah these guys were found guilty by a jury of intentionally setting fire to public land. The more recent issue is the sentencing for these crimes and 'mandatory minimum sentences' leading to a 5 year jail term. I am not sure I agree with mandatory minimum sentences, but that in no way makes these ranchers the good guys here.
So there was no evidence of poaching? Just a .gov claim?
 
Old 01-03-2016, 10:32 AM
 
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"Mr Ammon gave no specific demands but said the action was aimed at helping locals "claim back their lands and resources".
He said that the wildlife refuge had expanded at the expense of ranchers and miners. "

I'm guessing he's not talking about Native Americans.
 
Old 01-03-2016, 10:32 AM
 
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So there was no evidence of poaching? Just a .gov claim?
There was several witnesses.
 
Old 01-03-2016, 10:34 AM
 
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So there was no evidence of poaching? Just a .gov claim?
"Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property."

Yep. Just a .gov claim.
 
Old 01-03-2016, 10:37 AM
 
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It is a good thing they didnt arm the Boston bombers or anything. That sentence must have been wicked long...

Oh wait. "Man who loaned gun to Dzhokhar Tsarnaev released"
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