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Nothing could be further from the truth. Gun advocates do not think everyone should be armed. I would never want you to be. You don't have the judgement. The everyone needs to have a gun is a anti-gun expression. No gun enthusiast wants untrained people armed either. The fact is, many of us are trained. Many of us were trained in the military and continued our training in the civilian world. Do you even take that into consideration? No you don't. Most of us spend more time at the range practicing than your law enforcement does. I don't know anyone who advocates allowing a high school student to go to school with a gun. Again.. A spiffy little snide anti-gun comment. Go ahead and bloviate, but understand that most of us that actually do own firearms know a lot more about this topic than you ever will. It will continue to make you look foolish.
Here's a link to one of several gun-nut groups that advocates more guns on campus for students.http://concealedcampus.org/
You're absolutely right. I did not take into consideration whether or not this young man was trained before coming up with my whacko conclusion that it wasn't a good idea for him to have a gun on campus. In my uninformed world, it made sense that mixing 18 year olds, college life including beer parties (where the shooting happened, he carried the gun in the trunk of his car), and guns was not a great idea. Again, I apologize sincerely. My bad. I am so far from the truth that I even took the title of this thread as having something to do with banishing gun free zones. Can you imagine that? Keep posting. I for one, and maybe some other people, need informed people like you, with military training, to help us tell right from wrong. I see know that my experience working with young people gave me absolutely no insight into this matter whatsoever. I am sure that you have a pretty good grasp of where eighteen year olds are in their development since you are so knowledgeable about everything else. I'll bet you've worked with thousands of teenagers. Best.
Most people will not find their ability to defend themselves restricted by requiring background checks at guns shows.
Obviously, you've never been to a gun show. If you go to any booth at a gun show and try to purchase a gun, they'll run a background check on you.
BTW, I have no issue with a law having gun dealers run background checks to ensure that you are a citizen and not having a criminal record that restricts your ability to purchase one.
However, any citizen who is not an arms dealer should be allowed to legally sell or give his gun to anybody unless he knows they are planning to use it for a crime, have a felony record or are not a citizen.
There should not be a gun registry.
I do find it amazing that you feel a person with these beliefs is a criminal. Did you ever work in East Germany for the Stasi?
Obviously, you've never been to a gun show. If you go to any booth at a gun show and try to purchase a gun, they'll run a background check on you.
BTW, I have no issue with a law having gun dealers run background checks to ensure that you are a citizen and not having a criminal record that restricts your ability to purchase one.
However, any citizen who is not an arms dealer should be allowed to legally sell or give his gun to anybody unless he knows they are planning to use it for a crime, have a felony record or are not a citizen.
There should not be a gun registry.
I do find it amazing that you feel a person with these beliefs is a criminal. Did you ever work in East Germany for the Stasi?
So you're not a criminal.
The other possibility, which I didn't mention out of courtesy, is that you're not very bright.
I'll explain to you how it works. If you get lost, look for a nearby elementary school kid to help.
1) Go to gun show. 2) Pass background check. 3) Buy gun.
The above technique fails a) if you're a criminal, or b) you're not smart enough to follow the three steps.
Part of the problem is that there is no actual standard definition of "mass-shooting" or "spree-shooting," so people can just take incidents that fit a particular narrative and exclude others which don't.
For example, I don't usually see the Chai Vang/Wisconsin hunter massacre on lists of mass-shootings, even though it clearly WAS a mass-shooting. Those kinds of omissions are often political rather than "objective."
Most people know such a stupid law doesn't stop mass shootings either.
I don't know that.
I'm sure it won't stop the vast majority of them. People determined to shoot will find a gun.
It might stop somebody who is young, or half-serious, or who wants to be caught, and yes, there are people like that out there. Trying to buy a gun for a shooting that you aren't sure you want to carry out could be a cry for help. If nobody checks on you, you get the gun, people on the Internet and your inner circle egg you on, and the whole dynamic changes.
A failed background check might also bring somebody to the attention of law enforcement whom they were not looking at before. They can't monitor all felons. It's too many people. But if somebody with a record tries to buy semi-automatic weapons at a gun show, and fails, then they're looking at him. And yes, people do do things that stupid.
If you drop shooting deaths by 1% by actions like this, that's a victory. It's like the traffic laws. You don't set speed limits and mandate safer cars hoping to eliminate traffic deaths. You do those things hoping to reduce deaths, even by a small percentage.
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