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Old 01-05-2016, 07:00 PM
 
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Awesome idea that would go over like a lead balloon around here. Conservatives don't even like food stamps, which mostly go to children and the elderly, and they abhor affirmative action. Outside of Chris Christie, no GOP candidate is calling for lightening our drug sentences.
Didnt Christie argue to kick the war on drugs into a higher gear? Seems to me he argued against making pot legal.

There are those who talk about it but that is pretty much where it ends on the national level.

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You really think it's Democrats ignoring the issue of inner-city violence? Or the party that values tax cuts for the wealthy above all else?
Ignoring it? Maybe not. Doing anything to help? No. The poor has fallen further behind under Obama.
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Old 01-05-2016, 07:39 PM
 
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So if the NRA contributes to a candidate they agree with (against another candidate) that makes them... "ruthless"? LOL!

As for Smith and Wesson... the entire gun owning community boycotted Smith and Wesson. SW was clearly making a political move to try and rescue their stock price (then at about 1.50 a share). They completely compromised their principles, jeopardizing the entire gun industry. They earned a boycott. That's how the free market works.

Today SW is doing great! Their stock price has skyrocketed... thanks to Obama and his fellow travellers. And SW ads regularly appear in NRA publications.

And nobody (and I mean NOBODY) cares what PBS has to say about anything. They are the Sesame Street of media outlets (read: tailor made for Democrats).
Fox "News" is meant for GOP dolts, who will believe anything said on that silly network.

I'll never forget Karl Rove, one of the most corrupt individuals in American politics, losing his mind as Obama won Ohio, and swept to a pretty easy electoral victory. America is still laughing at Rove, and Fox.
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Old 01-05-2016, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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Fox "News" is meant for GOP dolts, who will believe anything said on that silly network.

I'll never forget Karl Rove, one of the most corrupt individuals in American politics, losing his mind as Obama won Ohio, and swept to a pretty easy electoral victory. America is still laughing at Rove, and Fox.

Whatever.
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Old 01-05-2016, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Bonus question: do more guns sold mean more or less incidents of gun violence?
Lets see...5,000,000 new guns imported or made in the USevery single year and the 'gun violence' rate has been dropping steadily for over 20 years. Looks like one hundred million more guns has made the US safer for the vast majority of the population, in spite of what the media would have you believe.

The NRA has the very successfully Eddie Eagle gun safety program that has worked for years to teach children gun safety. What have the ignorant anti gun nuts done? Whine about banning guns.
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Old 01-05-2016, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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The NRA's response to Sandy Hook is just about all you need to know about that paranoid organization.



Really?


I thought the lesson to be learned from Sandy Hook was that gun free zones massively increase the number of casualties a shooter can inflict before someone else shows up with a fire arm to stop them.


In fact, that`s pretty much the lesson to be taken away from every mass shooting where the unarmed who obey the law are mowed down by the armed who don`t obey the law.


Gun laws don`t work.
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Old 01-06-2016, 01:38 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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The Republican Supreme court said the 2nd amendment gave gun ownership rights to individuals when in fact to those with reading comprehension know that the 2nd amendment was put in place so the Fed govt. could not stop the states from forming it's own gun laws. You know "states rights and all that stuff"

Try reading the second amendment as it was printed, punctuation means everything.
Speaking of reading comprehension:


"A well-balanced breakfast being necessary to a nutritional diet, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed"

So who has the right to keep and eat food? The Breakfast? Or the people who will be making the breakfast?


Now apply what you've learned to the Second Amendment:


"A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

Oh and speaking of "people", who are they? Are they not the same "people" mentioned in the 1st and 4th Amendments? If not, why not? Do the 1st and 4th Amendments also not apply to individuals? According to their text, they apply to "the people", but you say "the people" in the 2A aren't really people, they are a militia, or a collective right or something, so following that argument to it's logical conclusion, the 1st and 4th Amendments are also not individual rights, yes?


According to your argument, the Second Amendment only applied to state militias, right? So who are "the militia"? Instead of trying to guess, why don't we just ask the founders themselves?
Spoiler

"""No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."""

-Thomas Jefferson.


""What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."""
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787


"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

"""Arms in the hands of citizens [may] be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense...""" John Adams.


"""Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."""
--Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.



And you also want to invoke "states rights" when it suits your argument huh? Well, even if you want to go down the road of arguing that the BoR only served as a check on the federal government, perhaps you ought to read the 14th Amendment as well, which incorporates the BoR's in to the several states as well.


I am so tired of having to educate people like you on this topic. You and others like you bitterly cling to your "collective / militia" interpretation of the 2A, but the Supreme Court says you're wrong, the HISTORY says you're wrong, and logic says you're wrong, it's time you Liberals get over it and just start accepting the fact that the 2A applies individually to all citizens and start working within that frame of context.
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Old 01-06-2016, 03:00 AM
 
Location: US
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You bring up lobbyists, OP. The banking industry has 5 lobbyists for every Senator who are reaping nice financial rewards for allowing the banking industry to be involved with legislation. The NRA is your problem.
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Old 01-06-2016, 05:36 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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You bring up lobbyists, OP. The banking industry has 5 lobbyists for every Senator who are reaping nice financial rewards for allowing the banking industry to be involved with legislation. The NRA is your problem.
It is a fact that lobbyist help write the laws and many politicians NEVER READ-but vote on it. they get away with so much, unless you up and close you cant see the shenanigans nor understand the workings that go on behind close doors-
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Old 01-06-2016, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Arizona, The American Southwest
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What is the agenda of the NRA?

Simple, To protect America, something the current president and some politicians have failed to do.
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Old 01-06-2016, 08:26 AM
 
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Sat here at work with my boss, and another coworker and watched that horse****! What about the sheep in the audience clapping? It just goes to show how many truly uneducated people that we have in this country!
Don't forget Liberals use bribes for people to show up. NRA has members who pay them to be a member, people who show up and understand the tasks at hand. It is not a group focused on hating or gossiping about others.
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