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But if they accessed government files without authorization, that is just one more charge against them.
Yes! And they will do the same thing they did with the Nevada 'stand-off' at Bundy's ranch, wait until they leave the serve them with criminal summons for various charges. Where are the Bundy Supporters now?
Richard Lee Cook - Nevada: A Nevada Oath Keeper who participated in the Bundy standoff (using the alias Richard X. Nelson), Cook was charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm. His prior criminal record includes possession of stolen property, attempted grand larceny, and attempted possession of a controlled substance. Trial is scheduled for May 12, 2015.
Jerad Dwain Miller and Amanda Woodruff Miller - Nevada: Ambushed and killed two Las Vegas Metro Police Department officers and one bystander. They both died in the resulting shootout with police.
Steven Kurt Brooks – Ohio: left his loaded gun in a convenience store restroom in Texas and was charged with unlawfully carrying a weapon at a business that sells alcohol. Brooks was a militia member at Bundy Ranch
Those who have supported Bundy online:
Will Michael - Pennsylvania: pleaded guilty to threatening a federal law enforcement officer (a BLM law enforcement ranger) and interstate threatening communication. Sentencing is scheduled for July 28, 2015.
Brent Douglas Cole – Alaska: was found guilty of assault on a federal officer (a BLM ranger) with a deadly weapon which inflicted bodily injury, assault which inflicted bodily injury on a person (a CA Highway Patrol officer) assisting a federal officer, and discharge of a firearm during and in relation to a crime of violence. Sentencing is scheduled for May 1, 2015.
Charles Jason Moreland - Oklahoma: pleaded guilty to influencing, impeding, and retaliating against a federal official (U.S. Senator Harry Reid) and was sentenced to one month in prison plus one year of supervised release.
Phillip Kay Lyman, Monte Jerome Wells, Shane Morris Marian, and Franklin Trent Holliday - Utah: These organizers of the illegal Recapture Canyon ATV ride in Utah were charged with conspiring to operate off-road vehicles on public lands closed to off-road vehicles, and aiding and abetting operation of off-road vehicles on public lands closed to off-road vehicles. Trial is scheduled for April 28, 2015.
I heard this off camera, "We're getting security teams as Marshals." They may try to arrest the sheriff, the AUSA, and the Judge shortly.
2:03 PM - 12 Jan 2016
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"They" being the Malheur squatters, and their supporters -- planning to arrest an actual elected, sitting 'real' judge, etc. And arrest folksy local Sheriff Ward, with whom we've all become familiar.
It will be interesting to see if the militia members staying in town -- the Pacific Patriot Network (PPN), III%ers, Oathkeepers, etc -- take any role in this.
Will the other 'neutral' militias become party to this sovereign citizens' style "common law" "court"? (which may even be held in absentia)
Not so interesting, perhaps, if one is the sheriff, a deputy, court official, or any other county or federal employee. I can only hope they are well protected from... come what may.
Everything has just ratcheted up a big notch. This is no longer about some quaint old ranchers out in the middle of nowhere. This is high conflict, with great potential for bloodshed.
They've tipped their hand now.
That won't end well for them. They should have accepted the sheriffs offer to escort them out last week and enjoyed their 15 minutes of fame.
A year or so from now, all the supporters who FedExed, Amazon'd and mailed (!) them material support will be trying to claim "Oh, I was the one who sent them the, uh, adult toys as a joke"
Good luck with that.
Every package will be flagged, X-rayed, tagged, probably sniffed and swabbed, and thoroughly documented.
Some 95 year old granny who thought she was sending French Vanilla Miracle Whip to some lonely old rancher will most likely be given a pass.
But I bet there are plenty of more interesting packages -- and senders -- getting documented in excruciatingly tedious detail, 'I's dotted and 'T's crossed.
You have to think, what a militia is and what power they have that is far greater than the Sheriff.
The Sheriff has no say.
The militia's formed by the people of the communities, are to have more power than any government elected official at any level.
Now, you have to ask. Is this Militia, formed from the community, or did the community not have the strength in numbers and made a call to all militias, or did a distant militia, invade the community without being asked?
If might makes right, the sheriff can blow those penny ante militias out of the water if he wants to. He can call in law enforcement from around the state, including the real state militia, to eliminate them. So far all they are doing is running a political protest, like a bunch of snot nosed kids occupying the dean's office at college. The first time somebody pulls a trigger, they are toast.
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@killendave FedEx delivery was just made to one of the militants occupying the #MalheurNationalWildlifeRefuge #oregonstandoff
So far the only Feds in evidence around the place are FedEx.
This is an election year. No way does Obama want another Waco to energize the right wing nut cases. Instead he is going to let the locals deal with it, and any assistance will be very sub rosa.
If might makes right, the sheriff can blow those penny ante militias out of the water if he wants to. He can call in law enforcement from around the state, including the real state militia, to eliminate them. So far all they are doing is running a political protest, like a bunch of snot nosed kids occupying the dean's office at college. The first time somebody pulls a trigger, they are toast.
That my sir, is how it is done! Until then it is talk and freezing balls off.
This is an election year. No way does Obama want another Waco to energize the right wing nut cases. Instead he is going to let the locals deal with it, and any assistance will be very sub rosa.
There were no and was not to be a continuous standing army, that one day the people would be fighting.
A noble and impractical ideal. Not sure where it enters the discussion on Oregon. though.
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Remember, everyone went home, even George Washington.
Are you sure you want to bring up the guy who led the actual army, in the field, to deal with a bunch of armed yahoos who felt the Federal government's laws didn't apply to them? Perhaps not the strongest case to back your argument.
If we cloned Washington, introduced him to the situation in Oregon and to the concept of "helicopter gunships", it would be over one way or another in days.
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Check this out... The militia can refuse.
Wrong. Settled in Houston v Moore.
The 1795 Act for calling forth the militia gives the President or state governments the right to call out the militia in the necessary number, and it's not a suggestion, either. And Congress' power extends to disciplining the militia directly as well as dictating to the states how the militia must be disciplined.
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To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
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For some odd reason, you still think the government creates the militia.
Well, I can read.
The yokels in Oregon may call themselves a militia, but they're very much not the militia, as defined in the constitution. They're rather on the other side - sedition, insurrection, that sort of stuff.
Anyway, for those actually interested in the Militia Clause, here's a good link - sorry, short on animated waving flags and men in tri-cornered hats, but long on footnotes and facts.
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