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My grievances with the left are having problems with lots of things but no logical solutions to any of them. My problems with the right are piled just as high.
Do they find left wingers are too empathetic and not hardass enough towards people they see as undeserving? Is it mostly to do with the left's rejection of religious faith and tradition? Do they view leftism as encouraging sloth and wickedness?
The Left seems to believe that people have inherent value just for being alive, while the Right views a person's worth as being equivalent to the wealth they produce and how much "benefit" to society as a whole they are.
pure rubbish. the left makes the claim that the right doesnt like people unless they are wealthy, and that is in fact pure rubbish. we dont mind helping those that need help, we just dont want to be forced at essentially gun point to do it.
we do believe that people who are capable of working should do that instead of living off the government dole.
the left claims to support the constitution, and then turns around and says that we need more gun control laws, but we cant punish criminals cause we might hurt their little feelings.
the left claims to believe that all people have value, unless they havent been born yet, then they are expendable.
the left claims the right are war mongers, and yet the left sends as many military troops into battle as the right does, but when the left sends troops into battle, no one seems to care about casualties, or collateral damage, only when the right sends the troops in does anyone care about those things.
the left is loaded with hypocrisy in many areas, and few call them on it, and when they do the left claims racism, or sexism, or what ever else they can use to slander the right.
in the end however, both sides tend to politicize everything.
Speaking as a liberal, I can't stand the regressive liberals nowadays. Who are the regressive liberals? The ones that accuse anyone who criticizes Islam of being xenophobic or islamaphobic. They are the "safe space" liberals who would rather scold people than debate them.
pure rubbish. the left makes the claim that the right doesnt like people unless they are wealthy, and that is in fact pure rubbish. we dont mind helping those that need help, we just dont want to be forced at essentially gun point to do it.
So you agree that people with physical and developmental disabilities should be helped by the government, right?
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the left claims to support the constitution, and then turns around and says that we need more gun control laws, but we cant punish criminals cause we might hurt their little feelings.
I don't think this is true. It seems like liberals in America are turning against the idea of gun control. Also the majority of Democratic voters support the death penalty for murderers, as long as there's enough evidence (personally I don't though).
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the left claims the right are war mongers, and yet the left sends as many military troops into battle as the right does, but when the left sends troops into battle, no one seems to care about casualties, or collateral damage, only when the right sends the troops in does anyone care about those things.
That's because the Democrats aren't really leftists at all - they're moderate neoliberals.
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in the end however, both sides tend to politicize everything.
Do they view leftism as encouraging sloth and wickedness?
That. And they're collectivists, and control freaks who are unwilling to live and let live; they must socioconomically engineer everyone in civilization to conform to their own latest hairbrained academic fad.
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The Left seems to believe that people have inherent value just for being alive, while the Right views a person's worth as being equivalent to the wealth they produce and how much "benefit" to society as a whole they are.
It's exactly converse. All the left cares about is what the Joneses have.
That. And they're collectivists, and control freaks who are unwilling to live and let live; they must socioconomically engineer everyone in civilization to conform to their own latest hairbrained academic fad.
How are liberals more collectivist than conservatives - who demand them to conform to their ideas about religion, Darwinian economics and to never complain about oppression and inequality? It seems like the Right are the ones who are most willing to throw people under the bus for the "greater good".
How are liberals more collectivist than conservatives - who demand them to conform to their ideas about religion, Darwinian economics and to never complain about oppression and inequality?
Conservatives preach the Gospel; they don't try to change you.
What you consider "Darwinian economics" is what the progressive left promotes by building up Big Government with bottomless resources to allocate crony capital, including Stimulus money to MSNBC.
Your Little Red Book talk about "oppression" and "inequality" can only be solved in the little pinheads of progressives by robbing neighbors they deem more endowed then they are.
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It seems like the Right are the ones who are most willing to throw people under the bus for the "greater good".
Again, it's the converse. The adventurous, aggressive, boundary-oblivious progressive left is doing just that right now by throwing the American worker under the bus by endorsing immigration reform.
From the turn of the century progressives threw Eastern Europe under the bus, Wilson's and Sangers's unfit under the bus, the northern end of the Korean peninsula under the bus, the island of Cuba under the bus, northern Africa, mainland China, now Syria, under the bus, for what it considers the 'greater good.'
The left now wants to grab instruments of effective personal defense for the 'greater good.'
The collectivist left hates the individual. That's the very definition of "greater good" for the socialist.
- How they attempt to silence debate with their stupid "safe spaces" and political correctness
- How they yell, scream, and name-call instead of debate with rational, logical arguments
- How they encourage government dependency
- Their elitist attitude that they automatically know what's best for us (car to drive, food to eat, etc.)
- How they mock traditional American values, religion
- Their weird obsession with race, gender, and class
- Running a criminal, a socialist, and a failed governor for POTUS
- Talking about how awful America is
- Supporting every type of immorality and debauchery imaginable, yet little to no support of religious liberty and freedom
- Their love of the federal government instead of local control
- Their slimy, snaky, and sneaky ways of accomplishing their agenda through deception
All of the above can be summed up in one word: Jews.
So you agree that people with physical and developmental disabilities should be helped by the government, right?
yes, and there are government programs to help these people. but understand that many of them can be productive members of society despite their disabilities, we just need to find a way for them to do just that.
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I don't think this is true. It seems like liberals in America are turning against the idea of gun control. Also the majority of Democratic voters support the death penalty for murderers, as long as there's enough evidence (personally I don't though).
really? i agree that SOME liberals are against gun control, but the reality is that the large majority of gun grabbers are in fact liberals and progressives that want the constitution rewritten or eliminated to get rid of the pesky bill of rights.
as for the death penalty, most liberals oppose it, while most conservatives support it.
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That's because the Democrats aren't really leftists at all - they're moderate neoliberals.
bullcrap. most democrats these days are progressives, at least the ones in power.
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