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Old 01-11-2016, 04:48 PM
 
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Why do US college/universities teach US students:

No is not yes.

Drunk is not yes.

Not sure is not yes.

Silence is not yes.
Why are you dodging? You must realize that you have lost the debate?

Name a college campus where 1,000 men go out in public with the coordinated plan to sexually attack women.

Name a college campus where one can get off on rape charges if there are not enough male witnesses despite other evidence...where a woman can be attacked for not covering up enough and society is fine with it...etc...
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Old 01-11-2016, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Why are you dodging? You must realize that you have lost the debate?

Name a college campus where 1,000 men go out in public with the coordinated plan to sexually attack women.

Name a college campus where one can get off on rape charges if there are not enough male witnesses despite other evidence...where a woman can be attacked for not covering up enough and society is fine with it...etc...
Or where a woman gets charged with adultery for reporting a sexual attack against her.
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Old 01-11-2016, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Some of the posts on this topic in this and the other active thread, seem to suggest that women are not harassed or raped or gang raped or subjected to violence anywhere other than in the Arab world- that only in the Arab world are women held responsible for men's behavior.

Nothing could be further from the truth. It's a matter of degrees of separation.
Had several friends who served in the military all over the middle east. How did they see it? "Treated just barely better than livestock." was one friend's observation. Here in the USA, women are not put to death for getting raped. Over there, they absolutely are. In the USA, you're not publicly executed for daring to fail to cover your head. It happens over there regularly. The entire Arab world has a powerful culture where women are slightly subhuman at best and less than garbage at worst. Girls are still married off at 8 or 9 years without their consent old to pay for their father's debts. They're not allowed to drive or go out in public alone in far too many cases.

The reason that Taharrush got so much attention was because women from other countries reported getting raped and assaulted in public. Then it happened to female journalists ... repeatedly:
Natasha Smith, Journalist In Egypt, Details Horrifying Sexual Assault In Cairo's Tahrir Square
LiveLeak.com - French Reporter Groped by Protesters in Egypt (comments)

And it's not just Egypt:
Saudi Arabia: Incident at Panorama Mall, Riyadh | American Bedu
Twice Branded: Western Women in Muslim Lands | World Affairs Journal

Sure sexual assault and rape happens in western countries like the USA and France and the UK. But it is utterly inconceivably to imagine groups of men routinely groping, assaulting and raping while news cameras are rolling. What does that tell you? For one thing, they have absolutely no fear of ever being punished for it. It's just an everyday thing for them. Perfectly normal. No big deal.
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Old 01-11-2016, 04:59 PM
 
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Had several friends who served in the military all over the middle east. How did they see it? "Treated just barely better than livestock." was one friend's observation. Here in the USA, women are not put to death for getting raped. Over there, they absolutely are. In the USA, you're not publicly executed for daring to fail to cover your head. It happens over there regularly. The entire Arab world has a powerful culture where women are slightly subhuman at best and less than garbage at worst. Girls are still married off at 8 or 9 years without their consent old to pay for their father's debts. They're not allowed to drive or go out in public alone in far too many cases.

The reason that Taharrush got so much attention was because women from other countries reported getting raped and assaulted in public. Then it happened to female journalists ... repeatedly:
Natasha Smith, Journalist In Egypt, Details Horrifying Sexual Assault In Cairo's Tahrir Square
LiveLeak.com - French Reporter Groped by Protesters in Egypt (comments)

And it's not just Egypt:
Saudi Arabia: Incident at Panorama Mall, Riyadh | American Bedu
Twice Branded: Western Women in Muslim Lands | World Affairs Journal

Sure sexual assault and rape happens in western countries like the USA and France and the UK. But it is utterly inconceivably to imagine groups of men routinely groping, assaulting and raping while news cameras are rolling. What does that tell you? For one thing, they have absolutely no fear of ever being punished for it. It's just an everyday thing for them. Perfectly normal. No big deal.
Also served over there in multiple countries multiple times. My observances are similar. But what do I know?
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Old 01-11-2016, 05:08 PM
 
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Some of the posts on this topic in this and the other active thread, seem to suggest that women are not harassed or raped or gang raped or subjected to violence anywhere other than in the Arab world- that only in the Arab world are women held responsible for men's behavior.

Nothing could be further from the truth.


It's a matter of degrees of separation.

"degrees of separation" ? I suppose Islamophiles would call the difference between a toilet bowl and the Atlantic Ocean degrees of separation.
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Old 01-11-2016, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Japan
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Why do US college/universities teach US students:

No is not yes.

Drunk is not yes.

Not sure is not yes.

Silence is not yes.
...because there is a trend on campuses toward expanding the definition of rape to include any sex that a woman decides she wasn't completely comfortable with, even if that decision comes days or weeks after the fact. That this extremely broad, woman-centered definition of rape is in utter contrast with thinking in Muslim societies is obvious to everyone here except you.
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Old 01-11-2016, 05:51 PM
 
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If Angela Merkel isn't careful, she's going to spawn the rise of the 21st century version of Hitler.

Only this time, the Western powers might not be that inclined to intervene.

It's good to see vigilante justice being meted out, because that's exactly how you treat animals that behave like the rapefugees.
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Old 01-11-2016, 07:08 PM
 
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I have no clue what Germany was thinking when it opened its arms to so many migrants at once.

Au contraire, Germany (Merkel's administration) was thinking the same thing liberals like you spout here constantly. That all cultures, nationalities, ethnicities and religions are equivalent and interchangeable or can and should be made equivalent and interchangeable, and that Westerners are 'just as bad or worse".
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Old 01-11-2016, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Or where a woman gets charged with adultery for reporting a sexual attack against her.
And then sentenced to death by stoning. By the law of the region. And with the sentence carried out by random peaceful Muslims, while others watch and get off on it. Sick, barbaric culture and political system.
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Old 01-12-2016, 04:20 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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As a Roman Senator exhorted during the Punic Wars, "Cartago Delenda Est". That now applies to the rest of the Islamic culture and sharia law over the entire planet. Unlike Ms. Merkel and other European leaders I do NOT believe everyone is an interchangeable production unit. The same applies to societies. The Western, European and the derivatives, cannot afford, culturally, socially and legally, to share a planet with a society that is based on medieval feudalism that allows on human slavery.


I have said elsewhere I cannot conceive of a way to change the Muslim culture into something we can tolerate without using the terms extermination or genocide. Does anyone have a better idea that does not include the words surrender or tolerance? I would like to hear it.
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