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Yes, and there was a Declaration of Independence, too. You didn't know about that? How can you even begin to discuss the Articles of Confederation, or the Constitution without knowledge of the original attempt to tell an armed existing tyrannical government, with no representation, 1776?
You're comparing, for example, the antics of the militia members in Oregon to the early American revolutionaries?
Bundy et al whining of butt hurts to the Declaration of independence? You realize how ridiculous this is.
You're comparing, for example, the antics of the militia members in Oregon to the early American revolutionaries?
Bundy et al whining of butt hurts to the Declaration of independence? You realize how ridiculous this is.
I know right. Bundy is a user who complained when the feds realized he wasn't doing what he was should. That's alot different than the various rebellions with militias back in the Revolutionary War, the Articles of Confederation and early Constitution era.
Who decides, and what is an anti-government militia group?
I don't think the groups are anti-government, they oppose violations of the constitution. Doesn't every American oppose the government violating the constitution?
BTW, If the source is the Southern Poverty Law Center, they are not exactly unbiased, they take a pretty strong anti-gun stance.
Aha, here lies the crux of the matter.
Just because I am a Life Member of the NRA and a Freemason and want my constitutional rights upheld, does that mean I am a member of an anti-government militia? I think not!
I think you're right. I think the militia in Oregon is part of the 'sovereign citizens' group. Apparently they want to replace the local government. I don't think the local community wants that to happen.
The local community doesn't even want them in town
The "entire reason" for the Constitution was because the Articles of Confederation was totally ineffective!
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Originally Posted by BentBow
Wrong. It was because the colonies had no representation in Parliament. No representation, no government exist. Only authoritarian tyranny exists, when evil exploits good.(2nd Amendment comes into play)
There was a progression, BentBow.
First, the colonists get tired of being bossed around without having a say and formulate a document that's essentially a middle finger extended in the direction of the Crown. That's the DoI, and it says bupkis about the form of government to replace life under the Crown.
Then, having kicked out the British - (incidentally, learning in the process that militias look better on paper than in the field), the first attempt at self-governance under the articles of confederation doesn't go too well, because each state pulls in different directions.
And then, having realized the need for a stronger central government, the US constitution was written.
And as if to provide a teaching example, when a bunch of country bumpkins use the arms (that they have the right to bear) against the duly elected government, the same guy who led the fight against the British takes the US army into the field to show the armed insurrectionists the error of their ways.
Are you going to claim you have a better understanding of the US constitution than Washington did?
First, the colonists get tired of being bossed around without having a say and formulate a document that's essentially a middle finger extended in the direction of the Crown. That's the DoI, and it says bupkis about the form of government to replace life under the Crown.
Then, having kicked out the British - (incidentally, learning in the process that militias look better on paper than in the field), the first attempt at self-governance under the articles of confederation doesn't go too well, because each state pulls in different directions.
And then, having realized the need for a stronger central government, the US constitution was written.
And as if to provide a teaching example, when a bunch of country bumpkins use the arms (that they have the right to bear) against the duly elected government, the same guy who led the fight against the British takes the US army into the field to show the armed insurrectionists the error of their ways.
Are you going to claim you have a better understanding of the US constitution than Washington did?
Great post Dane. This is fairly similar with what I posted with the three camps in the framing of the Constitution. Eventually the anti-Federalists in a way joined the Democratic-Republicans if they were able to vote (remember voting rights were left to white male landowners at this time.) I'm seriously wondering if BentBow is an anti-Federalist.
First, the colonists get tired of being bossed around without having a say and formulate a document that's essentially a middle finger extended in the direction of the Crown. That's the DoI, and it says bupkis about the form of government to replace life under the Crown.
Then, having kicked out the British - (incidentally, learning in the process that militias look better on paper than in the field), the first attempt at self-governance under the articles of confederation doesn't go too well, because each state pulls in different directions.
And then, having realized the need for a stronger central government, the US constitution was written.
And as if to provide a teaching example, when a bunch of country bumpkins use the arms (that they have the right to bear) against the duly elected government, the same guy who led the fight against the British takes the US army into the field to show the armed insurrectionists the error of their ways.
Are you going to claim you have a better understanding of the US constitution than Washington did?
The colonies had no representation in Parliament. They had no say in what was happening to them.
The colonies had no representation in Parliament. They had no say in what was happening to them.
As in, "First, the colonists get tired of being bossed around without having a say and formulate a document that's essentially a middle finger extended in the direction of the Crown" ?
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