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Old 02-07-2016, 05:55 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I take it you feel the Fakeriots are waging War on the United States of America? The Bundys are declaring War? Do you think they picked this battle wisely? Are their statements of delusion a new Declaration of Independence from the United States of America? Another Civil War?

A million Timothy McVeighs? May the Gods protect us.

WAR is hell.
Nobody said it wasn't.
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Old 02-08-2016, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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WAR is hell.
Nobody said it wasn't.
Those four remaining patriots are not at war, they are dress up wanna be soldiers.


Funny but these people keep telling us we need a militia to protect us from the government, we need the second amendment to protect us from the tyrannical government. It's not as if we need protection but if these are our protectors we are in deep trouble.
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Old 02-08-2016, 08:41 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Those four remaining patriots are not at war, they are dress up wanna be soldiers.


Funny but these people keep telling us we need a militia to protect us from the government, we need the second amendment to protect us from the tyrannical government. It's not as if we need protection but if these are our protectors we are in deep trouble.

The last man standing.....


If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.


Funny thing is, no one pointed a gun at anyone and told them to leave, but government.
No one said government cannot continue to do the task they have always done this time of the year.
It is and has always been peaceful. Because they are armed, everyone assumes they came in guns a blazing and took over. NO. They came with their signs like any other protest.
Exercising the 1st amendment, is protected by the 2nd amendment, except when government does not want to hear what you have to say. They the government will not talk with you, they will just kill you. They hold all the power as promoted by slaves and seen first hand by patriots.
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Old 02-08-2016, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The last man standing.....


If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.


Funny thing is, no one pointed a gun at anyone and told them to leave, but government.
No one said government cannot continue to do the task they have always done this time of the year.
It is and has always been peaceful. Because they are armed, everyone assumes they came in guns a blazing and took over. NO. They came with their signs like any other protest.
Exercising the 1st amendment, is protected by the 2nd amendment, except when government does not want to hear what you have to say. They the government will not talk with you, they will just kill you. They hold all the power as promoted by slaves and seen first hand by patriots.
Threatening to shoot someone while holding a gun is one step away from pulling the trigger. You don't think they would fire on federal agents coming into the compound to arrest them in their "peaceful protest".
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Old 02-08-2016, 10:38 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Threatening to shoot someone while holding a gun is one step away from pulling the trigger. You don't think they would fire on federal agents coming into the compound to arrest them in their "peaceful protest".

Why would they be coming in to arrest peaceful protesters? Threats to arrest peaceful protesters, is not met with a threat that they won't. I mean a threat is a threat of violence, no matter which side throws it. Who threatened violence first? Defend!


Why not go there and do their job around the peaceful protest. Like they do everywhere else. The federal employees were never threatened. People with signs and guns showed up.

Did them exercising their rights to be armed while exercising their right to protest, scare someone into thinking it would be anything but peaceful? Who is going to pull a gun on who? No one pointed a gun at anyone, but the government.
No one used their 1st amendment on the governments side, to jump to unfounded conclusions, with the media taking sides.

Only government could make it not peaceful, by using oppressive force(as seen they will use deadly force against a peaceful protest and shoot first and ask questions later.)

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Old 02-08-2016, 10:58 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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This was called a "take over" by the media.
It was a protest. Nothing more.
Exercising the individual right to protect ones self, was not the only right being exercised. The right to protest is a 1st amendment right. The 2nd protects the 1st, when government doesn't want to hear what you are saying, and tells you to shut up and leave. The 2nd amendment reminds the government, who they really work for.

With that said:


This was no way "a take over".

Because the protesters were in fact exercising their 2nd amendment rights, the federal employees were scared to show up for work, schools were shut down and an over reaction took place, with the media fueling the misinformation and focusing on the weapons. Armed militants, became the new meme.

There was nothing militant about it, until government issued threats of arrest if they didn't leave. Denying them their 1st amendment, with violence, right off the bat. Whoa... Taking it to a new level. The entire reason, they were armed. To secure a Free State, where the 1st amendment rules over the governments forced silence.
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Old 02-08-2016, 11:12 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Anytime government uses force upon the people, with violence being the only alternative, We The People are no longer free, with liberties. We are all slaves to the government.
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Old 02-08-2016, 03:10 PM
 
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Has the U.S. motto become ‘In Nothing We Trust’?

Jeff Greenfield is a seasoned political journalist and author, and he shares his belief about the end of trust by Americans in this country’s institutions.

Greenfield has titled his essay “In Nothing We Trust.”

JEFF GREENFIELD, Journalist: It’s not exactly breaking news that we’re entering this political high season in the winter of our discontent.

The polls and the political rhetoric speak to a mood of anger, distrust, even outright betrayal. But take a look beyond the political realm, and you will find something that runs longer than the current campaign, and deeper than politics.

The unhappy fact is that Americans’ trust in just about all our institutions has been in a long, almost unbroken decline. Our trust in government? A Pew Research poll last November found that only 19 percent of us trusted the government to do what was right all or most of the time. That’s close to an historic low.

But the real story here is how long that distrust has been festering. Go back to 1964, when the U.S. was in the midst of a long period of economic growth, when the Cold War was easing, when a major civil rights bill had just been passed.

Back then, 77 percent trusted the government to do the right thing all or most of the time. A decade later, after a divisive war, racial and generational unrest, a president driven from office in scandal, the number had dropped to 36 percent. And in the four decades since, it has never hit 50 percent, not even in the surge of patriotism after 9/11.

That’s about 40 years’ worth of alienation from the government of, by and for people.

Well, OK, but that’s the government. We are a nation born in revolt, with a permanent skepticism about our leaders. But now look at our feelings about other major institutions, and the picture, painted by a series of Gallup surveys going back decades, finds a disturbingly similar pattern.

Our churches? Two-thirds of us had a lot of trust in our religious institutions back in 1973. Now barely 42 percent do. Banks? Trust has gone from 60 percent back in 1979 to 28 percent now. Our public schools? More than half were trusting at the end of the ’70s. Barely three in 10 are today.

Organized labor? Big business? The medical system? The presidency? All get low grades. And before you ask, 21 percent profess a lot of faith in television news, less than half the percentage that did so little more than 20 years ago.

Other than the military, the police, and small business, no institution commands the trust of a majority of us, and even those are less trusted than they once were.

Well, the question is, why? One obvious answer, there’s good reason for this mistrust. How confident should we be in banks after the financial meltdown, in our public schools, given the woeful marks our students get compared with other nations, in our religious leaders, given the criminal sexual behavior of those who’ve spoken in God’s name?

But we’re also living in a less innocent time. The press was strictly controlled in World War II. The failures, strategic and moral, in places like Iraq, are on full display. The private lives of politicians, once carefully concealed, are now matters of public speculation.

Movies that celebrated heroes of the church or finance now tell very different stories of greed and sin. And the media messengers who show us the feet of clay on those that stand on the pedestals, well, they are increasingly seen as carriers of a partisan agenda, or guilty of their own failures.

But, deserved or not, the lengthy disaffection that so many feel about so many important parts of our national life clearly puts a heavy burden on anyone asking for the trust of the citizenry. It may, indeed, reward those who seek power, not by offering to ease that disaffection, but to feed it.

And it’s worth asking, how does a nation thrive when, year after year, our motto is, in nothing we trust?

Has the U.S. motto become
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Old 02-08-2016, 03:51 PM
 
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This was called a "take over" by the media.
I have never seen as much spinning, revision, selective narrative as you have been committing on an event that we've all witnessed in real time.

Yes it was a take over, the besiegers themselves said as much and to do so they called for their cohorts to bring their guns for the specific purpose of maintaining their hold on federal property. It was the likes Mr. Bundy and Mr. Finicum who expressed the willingness to use force to prevent their unlawful take over of federal property!
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Old 02-08-2016, 05:26 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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Perhaps many of these groups are simply individuals who support the Constitution and do not like how liberals are destroying the middle class and stomping on the Constitution?
Oh, you mean like Kim Davis? Or the Bundys?
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