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Old 02-09-2016, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Here we go again...

The Constitution does not grant the right for anyone to start a militia it acknowledges the need for "well regulated" militias. The Militia Act of 1902 and subsequent amendments divides militias into two groups, the National Guard and the Reserve Militia comprised of all military aged males. In a number of states private militias are outlawed outright, in others there is no applicable statute and in some states they are a loud but all are under the control of the state government which in turn can find them placed under federal authority.

So, yes the government has allowed the organization of militias, first and primarily the National Guard and in some states militias of other sorts all of which are subject to Federal or State regulation and authority in short well regulated as per the Constitution.
Yep, nowhere does it say groups like the Oath Keepers can be militias. However they have the right to peacefully assemble like the Bundy groups have. The key thing is, that is all they can do.
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Old 02-09-2016, 11:32 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Here we go again...

The Constitution does not grant the right for anyone to start a militia it acknowledges the need for "well regulated" militias. The Militia Act of 1902 and subsequent amendments divides militias into two groups, the National Guard and the Reserve Militia comprised of all military aged males. In a number of states private militias are outlawed outright, in others there is no applicable statute and in some states they are a loud but all are under the control of the state government which in turn can find them placed under federal authority.

So, yes the government has allowed the organization of militias, first and primarily the National Guard and in some states militias of other sorts all of which are subject to Federal or State regulation and authority in short well regulated as per the Constitution.

Congress has no control of the State militias, to create a Militia Act in the first place.
The Constitution does not grant the government that authority.
The 2nd amendment was created in the first place because government could not be trusted. The people have the right to Militia, not the Government.
Ask Andrew Jackson, as the head of the Tennessee Militia.

Even the first Militia Act created by government, failed to recognize the women, children and elderly, that were full well and established as part of the militia. Government has no control over who is Militia. People as defined, are the Militia.
It does not say the right of men, 17-48 yo, to keep & bear arms. It says the right of the people. Define People.

We understand what you want it to say, but what does the 2nd amendment actually say?..... and why does it say it in the first place.
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Old 02-09-2016, 11:44 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Yep, nowhere does it say groups like the Oath Keepers can be militias. However they have the right to peacefully assemble like the Bundy groups have. The key thing is, that is all they can do.

Where does it say they cannot be Militia. Hey Einstein, The constitution chains the government. Not the people.
Define "People" for us all.

The 2nd amendment already tells the government who Militia is, the reason for Militia and how the People will Militia, then goes on to tell the government, they have no say one way or the other. There is no Amendment to the Constitution, to define it further.





Before each of the Bill of rights, Start it out like this....

We The People of these United States of America have a right to:

1.) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

2.) A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

3.) No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

4.) The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

5.) ............. (etc
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Old 02-10-2016, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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The last man standing.....


If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.


Funny thing is, no one pointed a gun at anyone and told them to leave, but government.
No one said government cannot continue to do the task they have always done this time of the year.
It is and has always been peaceful. Because they are armed, everyone assumes they came in guns a blazing and took over. NO. They came with their signs like any other protest.
Exercising the 1st amendment, is protected by the 2nd amendment, except when government does not want to hear what you have to say. They the government will not talk with you, they will just kill you. They hold all the power as promoted by slaves and seen first hand by patriots.
Mere cliches.
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Old 02-10-2016, 05:38 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Where does it say they cannot be Militia. Hey Einstein, The constitution chains the government. Not the people.
Define "People" for us all.

The 2nd amendment already tells the government who Militia is, the reason for Militia and how the People will Militia, then goes on to tell the government, they have no say one way or the other. There is no Amendment to the Constitution, to define it further.





Before each of the Bill of rights, Start it out like this....

We The People of these United States of America have a right to:

1.) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

2.) A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

3.) No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

4.) The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

5.) ............. (etc
I suggest you re-read the Constitution and the Militia act if you think we can truly start a militia. The fact is you can easily start a group (right to assembly) but a militia, not so much. But by all means, believe you can do that.
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Old 02-10-2016, 05:42 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by BentBow View Post
Congress has no control of the State militias, to create a Militia Act in the first place.
The Constitution does not grant the government that authority.
The 2nd amendment was created in the first place because government could not be trusted. The people have the right to Militia, not the Government.
Ask Andrew Jackson, as the head of the Tennessee Militia.

Even the first Militia Act created by government, failed to recognize the women, children and elderly, that were full well and established as part of the militia. Government has no control over who is Militia. People as defined, are the Militia.
It does not say the right of men, 17-48 yo, to keep & bear arms. It says the right of the people. Define People.

We understand what you want it to say, but what does the 2nd amendment actually say?..... and why does it say it in the first place.
what is your definition of "well regulated", are the Oath Keepers or 3% well regulated, do they do background checks. I don't think so.
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Old 02-10-2016, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Smile Growth of Anti-Government Militias

Be afraid.

Be very afraid.

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Old 02-10-2016, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Ha - good one!
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Old 02-10-2016, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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what is your definition of "well regulated", are the Oath Keepers or 3% well regulated, do they do background checks. I don't think so.
Where does it say they need to do background checks?
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Old 02-10-2016, 07:56 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Mere cliches.

guess you think the Constitution is nothing but a cliche too.......right?
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