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That's precious... We have a minimum wage because before we had one industries were acting in concert to offer the same wage which was below market rate and far less than what would be required for subsistence. And workers had no option, it was very much a 'take it or leave it' deal and that persisted until the FLSA and WW2. I don't want us to return to that, and frankly I'm surprised that someone who calls himself "loveshiscountry" doesn't agree.
And yet most people in this country dont work for minimum wage, thereby disproving the need for one..
That's precious... We have a minimum wage because before we had one industries were acting in concert to offer the same wage which was below market rate and far less than what would be required for subsistence. And workers had no option, it was very much a 'take it or leave it' deal and that persisted until the FLSA and WW2. I don't want us to return to that, and frankly I'm surprised that someone who calls himself "loveshiscountry" doesn't agree.
When minimum wage started it wasn't meant to be a wage for someone to live on. It was .25 cents. Even today that equates to around $4.20.
I support minimum wage but it was never intended to be a wage for a family to live on. The problem there is not the minimum wage but rather the jobs we have allowed to leave and the mistake of allowing the bankers to run the economy.
Whats the point of the thread? To pretend an area with one of the highest cost of living in the nation, raising their minimum wage is appropriate for the rest of the nation, or that areas are best to know what their minimum wage for that region is, rather than the federal government?
Never mind that Washington is a state where only about 1% of those working are actually at or below the minimum wage. It makes socialist feel good and they get to laugh all the way to the bank while their moronic minions regurgitate all of their talking points while they play golf and ride around in limos.
When minimum wage started it wasn't meant to be a wage for someone to live on. It was .25 cents. Even today that equates to around $4.20. I support minimum wage but it was never intended to be a wage for a family to live on. The problem there is not the minimum wage but rather the jobs we have allowed to leave and the mistake of allowing the bankers to run the economy.
I don't disagree with you, but having a minimum wage tends to boost the wages of other hourly workers in the same industry, and they are the ones I'm most concerned about. They represent a bigger segment of the population are more apt to be working full time and are more likely to be relying on their job for their subsistence; whereas minimum wage workers are frequently housewives, students, retirees or people who choose to only work part time and have another income stream.
good ole AEI, I'm not surprised that they are trying to make the job increases look trivial, they would hate to admit they were wrong- but here are the real numbers:
Yes, the loss of 1,000 jobs between April and May, after the implementation of the $11 an hour minimum wage, was large. There was a 900 position drop between August and September, which only shows that few trends work in absolute straight lines. But the gain of 1,100 jobs between May and June, at the same $11 an hour minimum wage, was larger. And that was equaled by the 1,100 position jump between September and October. (that is from the Forbes article that you are having problems with)
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Originally Posted by 2sleepy
I never said it was a "soaring number" I was commenting on the Forbes article that showed that after a dip in food sector employment the job numbers have recovered. And save the rudeness for someone who cares, ok?
I don't disagree with you, but having a minimum wage tends to boost the wages of other hourly workers in the same industry, and they are the ones I'm most concerned about. They represent a bigger segment of the population are more apt to be working full time and are more likely to be relying on their job for their subsistence; whereas minimum wage workers are frequently housewives, students, retirees or people who choose to only work part time and have another income stream.
Without getting too involved I understand the argument. I've used the argument. I just wish we would concentrate more on the real problem.
"The percentage of hourly paid workers earning the prevailing federal minimum wage or less declined from 4.3 percent in 2013 to 3.9 percent in 2014. This remains well below the gure of 13.4 percent in 1979, when data were first collected on a regular basis.
Age. Minimum wage workers tend to be young. Although workers under age 25 represented only about one- fth of hourly paid workers, they made up nearly half of those paid the federal minimum wage or less. Among employed teenagers (ages 16 to 19) paid by the hour, about 15 percent earned the minimum wage or less, compared with about 3 percent of workers age 25 and older. (See tables 1 and 7.)
Gender. Among workers who were paid hourly rates in 2014, about 5 percent of women had wages at or below the prevailing federal minimum, compared with about 3 percent of men. (See table 1.)
Race and Hispanic or Latino ethnicity. The percentage of hourly paid workers with wages at or below the federal minimum wage was little different among the major race and ethnicity groups. About 4 percent of White workers and Black workers earned the federal minimum wage or less. Among Hispanic or Latino workers and Asian workers, the percentage was about 3 percent for each group. (See table 1.)
Education. Among hourly paid workers age 16 and older, about 7 percent of those without a high school diploma earned the federal minimum wage or less, compared with about 4 percent of those who had a high school diploma (with no college), 4 percent of those with some college or an associate degree, and about 2 percent of college graduates. (See table 6.)
Marital status. Of those paid an hourly wage, never- married workers, who tend to be young, were more likely (7 percent) than married workers (2 percent) to earn the federal minimum wage or less. (See table 8.)
Full- and part-time status. About 10 percent of part-time workers (people who usually work fewer than 35 hours per week) were paid the federal minimum wage or less, compared with about 2 percent of full-time workers. (See tables 1 and 9.)
Occupation. Among major occupational groups, the highest percentage of hourly paid workers earning at or below the federal minimum wage was in service occupations, at about 10 percent. Almost two-thirds of workers earning the minimum wage or less in 2014 were employed in service occupations, mostly in food preparation and serving-related jobs. (See table 4.)
Industry. The industry with the highest percentage of workers earning hourly wages at or below the federal minimum wage was leisure and hospitality (18 percent). Over half of all workers paid at or below the federal minimum wage were employed in this industry, the vast majority in restaurants and other food services. For many of these workers, tips may supplement the hourly wages received. (See table 5.)"
So in other words the minimum wage worker who tends to be unmarried, uneducated, flipping burgers and young is the democrats voting base. Of course they're going to be making promises to them for their votes. It's what they do since no one would vote for them if they ran on what they actually want to do.
This pertains to the thread, and it's based on this:
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Originally Posted by Tassy001
I did not say $11.00 an hour was too much money for fast food jobs. I said, it was too much money to start in a fast food jobs. No experience and you are just starting the job. I, did in fact say, one with more experience deserved it.
That, my friend, is a valid argument.
I had two dogs who needed to be cared for while I was gone at work for 12-14 hours a day. I had a base line of what I would pay. The job itself was very simple. Come over twice a day. One time feed the dogs. Both times let the dogs out for 1/2 hour at the least. Schedule was flexible, depending on what the person did in the other hours of their day.
I eventually ended up with two people. I had one stellar girl, and the other person who had previously no experience. The difference in what they did was noticeable, even though I wasn't even there when they did the job. As well, the difference in my dogs' attitude was noticeable depending on which day it was, as I rotated the schedule for them.
"No experience guy" did the job. That's it. He came, he did the job, he went home. He got his base pay.
But stellar girl did more. She understood "care of dogs" more. She thought of things that 'no experience guy' did not think of. Not to fault him, he had no experience, but you bet I noticed the little things that stellar girl did. And I upped her pay based on her performance. She was doing more than I asked of her, she deserved more. 'No experience guy was not doing more than what I wrote down. He took no initiative to try to do more, or even ask. She had more experience, she knew to do more. Not only did she get paid more in short order, when it was all said and done, she also got a fat bonus that I decided out of the blue to give her. I simply felt that she deserved it. 'No experience guy' never went above his base pay.
Why should I pay him more? For what? He did the job, nothing more.
What the hell does all of this have to do with anything on here? Because when you have more experience, you THINK about the little things that may not be exactly written down in your job description. You have more desire to do a better job. You have done it before, and you're back asking to do it again, so part of you must enjoy it, which means you're going to be a better employee.
You could get that way if you start off with no experience, but you need to prove yourself first. You don't walk in to a job with no experience making top wages, you work your way up to them by proving yourself, by showing initiative, by doing extras, by thinking of those little things that are indeed noticed by employers.
No one is saying that you don't deserve a better wage if you have proven yourself to be an asset, what people are saying is that you are not entitled to more because you haven't proven that you are an asset. With more skills comes more responsibility. With more responsibility comes more pay, but you have to show that you can handle that responsibility, you don't just get it handed to you.
If you want a "livable wage" even if it's flipping burgers, become an asset, not just someone who shows up for a paycheck.
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"The percentage of hourly paid workers earning the prevailing federal minimum wage or less declined from 4.3 percent in 2013 to 3.9 percent in 2014. This remains well below the gure of 13.4 percent in 1979, when data were first collected on a regular basis.
Age. Minimum wage workers tend to be young. Although workers under age 25 represented only about one- fth of hourly paid workers, they made up nearly half of those paid the federal minimum wage or less. Among employed teenagers (ages 16 to 19) paid by the hour, about 15 percent earned the minimum wage or less, compared with about 3 percent of workers age 25 and older. (See tables 1 and 7.)
Gender. Among workers who were paid hourly rates in 2014, about 5 percent of women had wages at or below the prevailing federal minimum, compared with about 3 percent of men. (See table 1.)
Race and Hispanic or Latino ethnicity. The percentage of hourly paid workers with wages at or below the federal minimum wage was little different among the major race and ethnicity groups. About 4 percent of White workers and Black workers earned the federal minimum wage or less. Among Hispanic or Latino workers and Asian workers, the percentage was about 3 percent for each group. (See table 1.)
Education. Among hourly paid workers age 16 and older, about 7 percent of those without a high school diploma earned the federal minimum wage or less, compared with about 4 percent of those who had a high school diploma (with no college), 4 percent of those with some college or an associate degree, and about 2 percent of college graduates. (See table 6.)
Marital status. Of those paid an hourly wage, never- married workers, who tend to be young, were more likely (7 percent) than married workers (2 percent) to earn the federal minimum wage or less. (See table 8.)
Full- and part-time status. About 10 percent of part-time workers (people who usually work fewer than 35 hours per week) were paid the federal minimum wage or less, compared with about 2 percent of full-time workers. (See tables 1 and 9.)
Occupation. Among major occupational groups, the highest percentage of hourly paid workers earning at or below the federal minimum wage was in service occupations, at about 10 percent. Almost two-thirds of workers earning the minimum wage or less in 2014 were employed in service occupations, mostly in food preparation and serving-related jobs. (See table 4.)
Industry. The industry with the highest percentage of workers earning hourly wages at or below the federal minimum wage was leisure and hospitality (18 percent). Over half of all workers paid at or below the federal minimum wage were employed in this industry, the vast majority in restaurants and other food services. For many of these workers, tips may supplement the hourly wages received. (See table 5.)"
So in other words the minimum wage worker who tends to be unmarried, uneducated, flipping burgers and young is the democrats voting base. Of course they're going to be making promises to them for their votes. It's what they do since no one would vote for them if they ran on what they actually want to do.
Not really, low-wage white workers have been trending Republican for some time now.
The ONLY thing Democrats can offer these voters now is that Democrats won't tax the working class as much as Republicans will.
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