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Old 01-18-2016, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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How Big Pharma Hooked America on Legal Heroin | Motherboard




Unintended consequences: Painkiller pills to heroin - CNN.com




stop blaming weed for everything 80 percent of heroin addicts admit to starting with big pharma opiates..
Good article, over prescription of opioids are many times the first step for abusers. Heroin is cheap and easily accessible but that doesn't mean we should be making it easier adding more drugs marijuana into the equation and making it easier. Alcohol and marijuana shouldn't be easily dismissed as part of the problem, Colorado and Washington are an experiment that may turn out badly. Do we really need more drugs.
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Old 01-18-2016, 07:07 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Pot is a gateway to opioids.

Of course not all recreational pot users seek opioids.

Yet almost all addicted to opioids/ opiates began their journey with pot.

Or not.

Marijuana as a Gateway Drug: The Myth That Will Not Die | TIME.com
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Old 01-18-2016, 07:09 AM
 
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Pot is a gateway to opioids.

Of course not all recreational pot users seek opioids.

Yet almost all addicted to opioids/ opiates began their journey with pot.
That back injury, impacted wisdom tooth, and other "pain relief maintenance" episodes are the gateway to opioids. Over prescription of opioids then suddenly cutting back on that has led to a huge increase in heroin use in the US. over 80% of heroin users were first addicted to prescription pain killer before trying heroin. and it's now cheaper and easier to get than Oxy.

Drug overdoses are now the leading cause of accidental death in many states. And it isn't weed causing that.
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Old 01-18-2016, 07:11 AM
 
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Pot is a gateway to opioids.

Of course not all recreational pot users seek opioids.

Yet almost all addicted to opioids/ opiates began their journey with pot.
Yet almost all of those you refer to started with cigarettes and alcohol. Why focus on pot?

I submit that only those predisposed to addiction moved on to the harder stuff, and that pot had nothing to do with it. In other words, if the plant had never been placed on earth, the same addicts you refer to would have still gotten addicted to opioids / opiates.

Pot has nothing to do with it, and is not a gateway drug. Not even close. For every 1 heroin addict that also used pot, there are at least 100 pot users that never did hard drugs, and never will.

Your argument is invalid.
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Old 01-18-2016, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Pot is a gateway to opioids.

Of course not all recreational pot users seek opioids.

Yet almost all addicted to opioids/ opiates began their journey with pot.
Sad, but true, and since pot use had doubled due to the legalization boom, it is not surprising that the heroin ODs are also skyrocketing. They walked through the same gate.

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Old 01-18-2016, 07:20 AM
 
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Good article, over prescription of opioids are many times the first step for abusers. Heroin is cheap and easily accessible but that doesn't mean we should be making it easier adding more drugs marijuana into the equation and making it easier. Alcohol and marijuana shouldn't be easily dismissed as part of the problem, Colorado and Washington are an experiment that may turn out badly. Do we really need more drugs.
Did it ever occur to you that having (legal) access to mj might actually save some from getting addicted to pain killers and/or heroin?

In my case mj has saved me from a lifetime of alcoholism. There are also countless others that did the illegal thing and self-medicated with mj. They are not hooked on prescriptions or heroin as a result, just like I'm not hooked on alcohol! Definitely a win-win situation (except for big pharma).

On the other hand, prohibition has been extremely damaging, costly, and millions have lost their life.

Finally, have you noticed the lack of mj-related news stories coming out of Colorado, Washington, Oregon, and Alaska? That is because we are doing just fine here, thank you very much. Look for many more states to legalize in the near future.
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Old 01-18-2016, 07:25 AM
 
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Sad, but true, and since pot use had doubled due to the legalization boom, it is not surprising that the heroin ODs are also skyrocketing. They walked through the same gate.
There is not a single statistic to show that. And in Colorado marijuana usage by teenageres has actually dropped since legalization.

It's fine if you have a problem with marijuana and adults using their bodies as they see fit. But at least have enough courage in your convictions to say that instead of making up reasons.
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Old 01-18-2016, 07:25 AM
 
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for those that didnt read the article:
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Studies have found that doctors are much more reluctant to prescribe
painkillers to minority patients, worrying that they might sell them or become
addicted. “The answer is that racial stereotypes are protecting
these patients from the addiction epidemic,” said Dr. Kolodny."
There were a few physicians who responded in the NY times comments section, questioning the above statement. I'm sure if a study was conducted, they would find that minority patients are probably less likely to come in to the doctor's office begging for narcotics.
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Old 01-18-2016, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Did it ever occur to you that having (legal) access to mj might actually save some from getting addicted to pain killers and/or heroin?

In my case mj has saved me from a lifetime of alcoholism. There are also countless others that did the illegal thing and self-medicated with mj. They are not hooked on prescriptions or heroin as a result, just like I'm not hooked on alcohol! Definitely a win-win situation (except for big pharma).

On the other hand, prohibition has been extremely damaging, costly, and millions have lost their life.

Finally, have you noticed the lack of mj-related news stories coming out of Colorado, Washington, Oregon, and Alaska? That is because we are doing just fine here, thank you very much. Look for many more states to legalize in the near future.
Yes states with medical marijuana have a lower opioid rate but not conclusive at this point that there is a connection. The states that have approved marijuana are fairly new so more time is necessary.
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Old 01-18-2016, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Florida
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There is not a single statistic to show that. And in Colorado marijuana usage by teenageres has actually dropped since legalization.

It's fine if you have a problem with marijuana and adults using their bodies as they see fit. But at least have enough courage in your convictions to say that instead of making up reasons.
Marijuana use has doubled in the last 10 years, and as a result the marijuana related disorders is also through the roof. It was all over the news few months ago.

U.S. Study: Marijuana use doubled in last 10 years - CNN.com

Marijuana Use Doubles in U.S., But So Do Problems - NBC News

"The prevalence of marijuana use more than doubled between 2001-2002 and 2012-2013, and there was a large increase in marijuana use disorders during that time," they wrote in the Journal of the American Medical Association's JAMA Psychiatry.

"While not all marijuana users experience problems, nearly three of 10 marijuana users manifested a marijuana use disorder in 2012-2013." That adds up to 6.8 million Americans, they said.
This is a big issue for younger users, they said.
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"When examined by age, young adults were at highest risk for marijuana use disorder in both surveys. Clearly, concerns about this age group continue, with prevention and intervention efforts for this group critically needed." Blacks are now more likely to use cannabis than whites, they added.
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