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Old 01-20-2016, 07:35 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Mystery? Not really. Serving in immoral, unjust and unnecessary wars is talking a toll on the collective psyche of those doing the dirty work.
No, it is just the government eliminated the draft and now abuses the volunteers to the breaking point.


A volunteer force is fine if no endless wars across the globe. Works for short term crises not protracted nation building.


It is insane to send these guys back for many multiple tours, even if volunteers. Then no provisions are made to financially secure them is the best way to send a guy of the edge.


The government strategy of a volunteer army is not working and it would be political suicide for anyone suggesting a draft. So for the sake of politics the obcene suicide rate continues and in the best tradition of obama and rham Emanuel, never letting a bad situation go to waste, the suicide numbers are added to the death toll from guns to forward the liberal anti gun agenda.
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Old 01-20-2016, 08:18 AM
 
Location: east coast
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Mystery? Not really. Serving in immoral, unjust and unnecessary wars is talking a toll on the collective psyche of those doing the dirty work.
And yet, what about those that haven't seen war? There is what I myself refer to as "Post Service Disruption Disorder" (PSDD). The transition from service, even spending a few months on military orders, and having to go back to a civilian job causes great disruption. Military is a way of life. Once you pass that 5-6 year threshold, it is a point of no return for many.

It's complicated but not so complicated because it's all about connecting the dots. Unfortunately, psychologists can't relate to many vets because they haven't the same experience. Most vets don't go back to college to attain a psychology degree to help other vets. It takes natural intuition, training in human behavior, and the natural ability to read and feel energy of other people. You have to know as soon as you walk in the room, who is sad, who is happy, who is bored, etc. Most people don't have this ability. It doesn’t come from college- same way Donald Trump didn't become successful in school. He had the life training and motivation prior to entering business school. Most high charged military/police are void of the human factor but are great at tactical application. That is why you often hear- "that cop was a D"... Many are also into fast cars, weapons, extreme sports, etc... They rather chase and police cars over than provide police presence for and chat with a store owner. But chatting with store owners and speaking to passerbys is how you get to know the "secrets".

To be honest, most psychologists live on paper. They can't identify with the various elements that plague our men and women in uniform serving in various first responder professions. Whether it be Fire rescue, ER Paramedics, police, or military, it takes a certain person to do these jobs. It's a very complicated issue but in order to fully understand, you have to not only have experienced these jobs personally on various levels, but also consciously "be in the zone" as you transition and overcome many of these states. You have to be one in order to understand- same way as you have to think like a killer in order to catch one.

As I said before, it takes a certain personality to walk through dark alleys looking for bad guys or conducting traffic stops alone on dark streets. It takes a certain person to be held "captive" for 12 weeks at bootcamp while being drilled and downright brainwashed - trained to kill. This is why so many Marine bases are on lock down because these guys are trained to kill- it was in them before going in. And any type of freedom or alcohol given, these marines go crazy. As a result of this wiring, chemical reactions are often charged and have to remain so in order to fight. They are always on edge from uniform, walking, appearance, etc. HOWEVER, on the back end, if you have a hard charger that isn't channeled properly, he/she will become unhinged and you often get police brutality and bar fights. On the other end, those that aren't has hard charged but still have this innate need and will to "rescue" also deal with their inner complexities that often GO UNKNOWN because they "don't express" themselves. You don't find out until you come home and see your roommate hanging from the closet door.

Domestic violence is greatest amongst cops and military for a reason- you simply have to connect the dots as it is all relative. You can't be charged all day, drilled about "getting home safe" all day, chase and physically fight bad guys for years, and expect to come home and shut if off like regular 9-5ers. But when you do shut it off and or retire, where do you think these "fighting chemicals" go? What happens when they are suppressed? Ever hear about how cops don't last long after retirement? It's mostly the ones that don't have side jobs or other pursuits after retirement and hide in deep country alone to die away slowly. Fishing after retirement from 25 years of police work in the bad streets of chicago will kill you real fast.

Sure, you will have the "my husband/wife isn't like that" but that doesn't mean that these deepest/darkest thoughts haven't been pondered. Again, you will never know until....


It's all about plugging in the numbers and continuous assessment as technology changes and people adapt.
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Old 01-20-2016, 08:29 AM
 
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Wonder if any of this has to do with a failing leader....... a leader who sends in 50 soldiers at a time, wars started, but not calling them wars and a leader who has disdain for the military.

I am seeing rates have fallen.........
DoD: Military suicide rate declining


The suicide rate among active-duty U.S. military personnel dropped in 2013 to roughly the same rate as the civilian population adjusted for similar demographics, according to a new Pentagon report.
The 2013 Defense Department Suicide Event Report shows the suicide rate for troops on active duty in 2013 was 18.7 per 100,000 population, down from the 2012 rate of 22.7 per 100,000.
The rates for the individual services per 100,000 according to the report, were 23 for the Army, 23.1 for the Marine Corps, 14.4 for the Air Force and 13.4 for the Navy.


Report Says Suicides High among Young Enlisted Men | Military.com
The highest suicide rates in the U.S. military in 2012 were found among young enlisted men with comparatively little education, the Defense Department said Friday.

How many of these people never had a father in the home, showing them how to stand up as men and make hard decisions only men can make.
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Old 01-20-2016, 08:30 AM
 
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Wonder if any of this has to do with a failing leader....... a leader who sends in 50 soldiers at a time, wars started, but not calling them wars and a leader who has disdain for the military.

I am seeing rates have fallen.........
DoD: Military suicide rate declining


The suicide rate among active-duty U.S. military personnel dropped in 2013 to roughly the same rate as the civilian population adjusted for similar demographics, according to a new Pentagon report.
The 2013 Defense Department Suicide Event Report shows the suicide rate for troops on active duty in 2013 was 18.7 per 100,000 population, down from the 2012 rate of 22.7 per 100,000.
The rates for the individual services per 100,000 according to the report, were 23 for the Army, 23.1 for the Marine Corps, 14.4 for the Air Force and 13.4 for the Navy.


Report Says Suicides High among Young Enlisted Men | Military.com
The highest suicide rates in the U.S. military in 2012 were found among young enlisted men with comparatively little education, the Defense Department said Friday.

How many of these people never had a father in the home, showing them how to stand up as men and make hard decisions only men can make.
yeah the problem is semantics lol
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Old 01-20-2016, 09:13 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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When wars are started without the consent of the people, the crap starts to hit the fan rather quickly when your best buddy gets blown up for nothing.
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Old 01-20-2016, 09:40 AM
 
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Bottom line: the military is hazardous to your health.
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Old 01-20-2016, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Bottom line: the military is hazardous to your health.
... and each suicide is different. Not everybody committed suicide because they have seen combat and became traumatized lol
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Old 01-20-2016, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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... and each suicide is different. Not everybody committed suicide because they have seen combat and became traumatized lol
I think that is the perception but as you stated a large majority were not even front line combat troops.
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