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The reason was an attempt to track guns going from the US to Mexico, very poorly contrived but no question that is the case. It's evident that they acquire many from dealers although I'm sure there are other means.
"Most of the firearms seized in Mexico that were traced and found to be of U.S. origin from 2009 to 2014 came from U.S. Southwest border states," the GAO report says. "While guns seized in Mexico of U.S. origin were traced to all of the 50 states, most came from Texas, California, and Arizona."
Many of those guns were bought legally in the U.S. and then smuggled over the border, according to the GAO.
"About half were long guns, such as the high-caliber AR-15, preferred by cartel gunmen," NPR's John Burnett reports for our Newscast unit. "Mexican drug traffickers continue to rely on straw purchasers who legally buy the weapons in the U.S., then transfer them to criminal gangs."
Why didn't the GAO or NPR give us a breakdown those numbers? How many were legally exported to the Mexican army, local Mexican police forces and other Mexican law enforcement agencies before ending up in the hands of the bad guys? My tin-foil hat theory is that the number would be embarrassing large which would show the world just how corrupt the Mexican government actually is.
Used or new weapons imported from China/Africa/Russia are cheaper than what they can purchase in the United States. They cannot buy automatic weapons in America.
I'm sure they would love a full auto M-16 or AK-47 but semi-auto AR-15s work just fine.
Why didn't the GAO or NPR give us a breakdown those numbers? How many were legally exported to the Mexican army, local Mexican police forces and other Mexican law enforcement agencies before ending up in the hands of the bad guys? My tin-foil hat theory is that the number would be embarrassing large which would show the world just how corrupt the Mexican government actually is.
The article did indicate "originated in the US", I don't see a breakdown but I imagine the Mexican Government Forces lost some guns.
As of 2013, the total for just the police departments was over 15,000 - Mexican police
You are implying that if the Liberals get into power, they will continue with open borders, welcoming our new brothers and sisters, who will have a very lucrative gun contraband business selling to criminals.
90% of guns seized in crimes in Mexico came from the US, there's your boogieman.
Actually no, 90% of guns seized in crimes in Mexico that were submitted to US tracing were found to originate in the US.
So it's not all guns seized, just the ones submitted, do we know what fraction were submitted? No sadly we do not there's really no hard data on the numbers of guns seized, the numbers submitted, and even then the numbers and ratios vary year to year.
However claims of 90% of all guns is badly flawed, the sample is grossly biased it would be like going to a school in Boston and determining that 90% of all students originate in Boston, then stating that of all students in the US 90% originate in Boston, can you see that issue in that?
Furthermore we have no idea where those 90% came from, were they trafficked from the US, were they sold to Mexico either by or under the approval of the US government? The US sells lots of weapons to Mexico, armed forces and police are armed with many weapons that are US in origin and thus traceable. Again we don't know that data.
Finally lets just get this out of the way, even if 200,000,000 guns are trafficked to Mexico annually and illegally, it does not make an ATF admitted figure of 2000 (and I'm thinking it's not 2000, probably more maybe many more) any less serious. The number of guns being trafficked to Mexico are being trafficked illegally, the 2000 were trafficked in a seriously flawed and poorly judged operation sanctioned by the US government. Currently of those 2000 10% have been directly linked to homicides in Mexico (200 homicides people dead because of this operation) and a number in the US too. So no the claimed high figure of guns being trafficked into Mexico is a woefully inadequate attempt to clear the US of culpability.
90% of guns seized in crimes in Mexico came from the US, there's your boogieman.
Oh .. Look over here, nothing to see there!
This is about the Government running guns to cartels .. one of which killed Brian Terry a border agent.
Known crimes linked to “walked” weapons: Deaths: 43
2 U.S. federal agents
3 Mexican police
1 terrorist torture/kidnaping/murder in Mexico
Attempted murders or injuries: 3
1 in Mexico; 2 in U.S.
Kidnapings: 4 (all in Mexico)
Assaults/Shootouts: 4 incidents
2 in Mexico against military; 2 in U.S. against Phoenix law enforcement
. Dec. 9, 2009 Cartel Crime Scene Seizure in Mexico
Mexican Army recovered 900 pounds of cocaine, 132 pounds of methamphetamine, $2 million U.S. dollars and 48 firearms in Mexicali, Mexico. Twenty of the weapons had been purchased by Fast and Furious suspects.
Actually no, 90% of guns seized in crimes in Mexico that were submitted to US tracing were found to originate in the US.
So it's not all guns seized, just the ones submitted, do we know what fraction were submitted? No sadly we do not there's really no hard data on the numbers of guns seized, the numbers submitted, and even then the numbers and ratios vary year to year.
However claims of 90% of all guns is badly flawed, the sample is grossly biased it would be like going to a school in Boston and determining that 90% of all students originate in Boston, then stating that of all students in the US 90% originate in Boston, can you see that issue in that?
Furthermore we have no idea where those 90% came from, were they trafficked from the US, were they sold to Mexico either by or under the approval of the US government? The US sells lots of weapons to Mexico, armed forces and police are armed with many weapons that are US in origin and thus traceable. Again we don't know that data.
Finally lets just get this out of the way, even if 200,000,000 guns are trafficked to Mexico annually and illegally, it does not make an ATF admitted figure of 2000 (and I'm thinking it's not 2000, probably more maybe many more) any less serious. The number of guns being trafficked to Mexico are being trafficked illegally, the 2000 were trafficked in a seriously flawed and poorly judged operation sanctioned by the US government. Currently of those 2000 10% have been directly linked to homicides in Mexico (200 homicides people dead because of this operation) and a number in the US too. So no the claimed high figure of guns being trafficked into Mexico is a woefully inadequate attempt to clear the US of culpability.
How is the sample biased, this is Mexico and that is what they recovered lacking a complete breakdown was there not a rather large issue with legally purchased guns going into Mexico, two administrations over 10 years saw this issue. If you don't agree with the 90% fine, where do you think they came from.
No the ATF number was actually less than 2000 and yes there are both illegal and legal guns going to Mexico, and the operation was a failure. The point is the constant criticism of 2000 guns lost years ago while we dismiss 200,000 guns lost every year. You actually think that 200,000 guns going into Mexico pales by comparison to 2000, why?? Assuming your numbers are correct and 200 died from these 2000 guns, how many other are killed each year by just illegal guns, 20,000, 30,000?
This amount to beating a dead horse while ignoring the larger issues
"What GAO Found
According to data from the Department of Justice's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), 73,684 firearms (about 70 percent) seized in Mexico and traced from 2009 to 2014 originated in the United States. ATF data also show that these firearms were most often purchased in Southwest border states and that about half of them were long guns (rifles and shotguns). According to Mexican government officials, high caliber rifles are the preferred weapon used by drug trafficking organizations. According to ATF data, most were purchased legally in gun shops and at gun shows in the United States, and then trafficked illegally to Mexico. U.S. and Mexican law enforcement officials also noted a new complicating factor in efforts to fight firearms trafficking is that weapons parts are being transported to Mexico to be later assembled into finished firearms, an activity that is much harder to track."
Apologists for ill advised politicians turn my stomach.
There is way too much of it going on these days too.
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