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Old 01-28-2016, 12:17 PM
 
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A private business has the right to regulate firearms on their property; however, if I were to be hurt on their property, they'd better get their lawyers ready because I'd sue them for not providing adequate security after they disarmed me.


You would have to prove that the sign was a direct cause of your injury:


1. It would reasonably never have occurred, except for the sign.
2. You would reasonably have prevented your injury, except for the sign.


As I've said earlier, 3% of Texans have a CHL, and only a portion of them actually exercise it, and only a portion of those who do exercise it would actually respond in a crisis. The probability that an armed citizen is a danger to any given criminal is statistically negligible regardless of the sign on the door, and I simply do not think criminals think about it one way or another.
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Old 01-28-2016, 12:19 PM
 
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I know the want of being left alone, and I share the sentiment, whether it be government, anything or anyone else, but just how are we supposed to reconcile this desire with the fact we are told we must pay taxes, possibly get drafted into the military, can't have more than one spouse, do illegal drugs, pay for sex, occupy federal land...

Much like the argument that the 2A is all we need consider when it comes to the issue of gun violence, I think support under the one principle "that government should not tell us what to do" is a bit too simplistic...
I'd suggest we work together to remove all those restrictions except for taxes and draft. I'd suggest we move to a single sales tax system rather than the current cluster f so that everybody is paying their fair share, rich and poor.

We really don't need any restrictions on the rest of them.
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Old 01-28-2016, 12:24 PM
 
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I'd suggest we work together to remove all those restrictions except for taxes and draft. I'd suggest we move to a single sales tax system rather than the current cluster f so that everybody is paying their fair share, rich and poor.

We really don't need any restrictions on the rest of them.
A. From the very beginning of the concept of taxation, it has been used and cherished as a method of government coercion and reward...and no government is actually going to give up the stick and carrot that has been so useful for so many thousands of years.


B. Everyone has his own idea of what "fair share" means.
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Old 01-28-2016, 12:33 PM
 
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I am a huge supporter of the Second Amendment but I also believe that a private business has the right to regulate firearms on their property. I also have alot of concerns about open carry, I think it's counterproductive since it removes the element of surprise. Additionally I can't help but think that alot of open carry types just want to show off and act macho. It pains me to say it, but there is alot of that within the gun owners community.
Open carry is basically just for the mall ninja and sovereign citizen types. They think it makes them look like tough soldiers and fail to notice the rest of the world laughing at them. There is something beyond pathetic about a grown man dressed in camo and 5.11 pants with a 48 inch waist strapping on a gun and various other tacti-cool accessories to go buy duct tape at Home Depot.
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Old 01-28-2016, 12:34 PM
 
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A private business has the right to regulate firearms on their property; however, if I were to be hurt on their property, they'd better get their lawyers ready because I'd sue them for not providing adequate security after they disarmed me.

I only support open carry under one principle: the government should not tell us what to do.

Would you get all stompy foot and have to shoot someone when your suit was laughed out of court?
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Old 01-28-2016, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I'd suggest we work together to remove all those restrictions except for taxes and draft. I'd suggest we move to a single sales tax system rather than the current cluster f so that everybody is paying their fair share, rich and poor.

We really don't need any restrictions on the rest of them.
What about retired people who paid taxes for 50 some years and are now living on fixed income. Should they have to pay those increased sales taxes too? Or should they just not buy anything after a certain age?
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Old 01-28-2016, 02:03 PM
 
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Open carry is basically just for the mall ninja and sovereign citizen types. They think it makes them look like tough soldiers and fail to notice the rest of the world laughing at them. There is something beyond pathetic about a grown man dressed in camo and 5.11 pants with a 48 inch waist strapping on a gun and various other tacti-cool accessories to go buy duct tape at Home Depot.
Couldn't agree more.
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Old 01-28-2016, 06:15 PM
 
Location: CasaMo
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I am a huge supporter of the Second Amendment but I also believe that a private business has the right to regulate firearms on their property.
Yes

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I also have alot of concerns about open carry, I think it's counterproductive since it removes the element of surprise.
Not seen evidence either way.

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Additionally I can't help but think that alot of open carry types just want to show off and act macho. It pains me to say it, but there is alot of that within the gun owners community.
Probably true in a lot of cases, but at the end of the day its their right and that's what it boils down to. I don't carry at all, but if someone else wants to carry in the matter they please, I'm fine with it.
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Old 01-28-2016, 06:19 PM
 
Location: CasaMo
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Would you get all stompy foot and have to shoot someone when your suit was laughed out of court?
Is that the best you can do?
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Old 01-28-2016, 06:35 PM
 
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Open carry is basically just for the mall ninja and sovereign citizen types. They think it makes them look like tough soldiers and fail to notice the rest of the world laughing at them. There is something beyond pathetic about a grown man dressed in camo and 5.11 pants with a 48 inch waist strapping on a gun and various other tacti-cool accessories to go buy duct tape at Home Depot.
They laugh...no, they call 911 and say SOMEBODY has a gun....
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