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Old 01-21-2016, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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Instead of making open and concealed carry easier the new law is making it harder. I've seen more "no gun" signs going up than I saw before the new law - both 30.06 signs (no concealed carry) and 30.07 signs (no open carry).

“We have lost more than we gained,” said one frustrated poster to the online site TexasCHLforum.com, which invites discussion about concealed gun permit laws in the state. “This has woken up the ‘anti’ crowd in a big way.”

“Places that were not concerned previously are taking sides because of the recent publicity,” said another.

The “concealed” part of concealed carry may have made it easy for business owners to just not think much about who is or isn’t toting a gun.

Now, with open carry as the law, they must be explicitly clear. Anecdotally, unhappy posters at the pro-gun site Texas3006.com report a rash of businesses putting up new signs banning both concealed and open firearms.


Did Open Carry backfire on Texas gun owners? | | Dallas Morning News

List of Texas Businesses Prohibiting Open Carry Exceeds 400 | Blogs | San Antonio Current
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Old 01-21-2016, 03:51 PM
 
Location: At the corner of happy and free
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I don't know much about guns (having never owned one, or even touched one). It's my understanding that most other states already allow open carry (a gun expert told me that recently), so I'm not sure why Texas's new law is such a big deal. But then, I also don't understand why anyone would prefer to openly carry rather than concealed. What's the benefit? Doesn't it carry dangers, for everyone around to know you have a gun? Seems like that person would be the first person a mass shooter would go after.
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Old 01-21-2016, 03:57 PM
 
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Yeah, not really. For the most part it's been a complete non issue for 99.999% of concealed carry folks like myself who don't want to or intend on open carrying but still enjoy the freedom to do it if I want.

If a business doesn't respect my rights I have the choice of whether to give them my business or not, it's really not that big of a deal to most people.
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Old 01-21-2016, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Southeast Michigan
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I don't know much about guns (having never owned one, or even touched one). It's my understanding that most other states already allow open carry (a gun expert told me that recently), so I'm not sure why Texas's new law is such a big deal. But then, I also don't understand why anyone would prefer to openly carry rather than concealed. What's the benefit? Doesn't it carry dangers, for everyone around to know you have a gun? Seems like that person would be the first person a mass shooter would go after.
Yes, and while I believe there should be the right to open carry, I also think it's foolish to do this in public, especially in a high crime area. A concealed gun is an insurance, an openly carried gun is an advertisement. Unlike a law abiding citizen who can only react to an attack, the criminal always has the benefit of selecting when and how to attack.
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Old 01-21-2016, 04:26 PM
 
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Instead of making open and concealed carry easier the new law is making it harder. I've seen more "no gun" signs going up than I saw before the new law - both 30.06 signs (no concealed carry) and 30.07 signs (no open carry).
I live in N TX and that is exactly what I've observed. In the past couple of weeks, I've seen "no concealed" and "no carry" signs at several medical facilities, including a hospital, a rehab center, an assisted living center, and a medical professional building. Previously there were no signs posted so concealed carry was allowed.
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Old 01-21-2016, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Much ado about nothing.
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Old 01-21-2016, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I don't know much about guns (having never owned one, or even touched one). It's my understanding that most other states already allow open carry (a gun expert told me that recently), so I'm not sure why Texas's new law is such a big deal. But then, I also don't understand why anyone would prefer to openly carry rather than concealed. What's the benefit? Doesn't it carry dangers, for everyone around to know you have a gun? Seems like that person would be the first person a mass shooter would go after.
I'm not one who would open carry for sure, but a mass shooter would avoid a place where he knows people are packing. They want to do as much damage as possible so they seek the easiest targets.

ALL of the mass shootings in the last few years happened in No Gun Zones (theaters, schools, CA). Putting up signs not allowing any weapons (CCP/OPEN) is the real danger for those shop owners. Might as well stand outside screaming "Come Rob Me; there are no weapons here!"
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Old 01-21-2016, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Nevada
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Instead of making open and concealed carry easier the new law is making it harder. I've seen more "no gun" signs going up than I saw before the new law - both 30.06 signs (no concealed carry) and 30.07 signs (no open carry).

“We have lost more than we gained,” said one frustrated poster to the online site TexasCHLforum.com, which invites discussion about concealed gun permit laws in the state. “This has woken up the ‘anti’ crowd in a big way.”

“Places that were not concerned previously are taking sides because of the recent publicity,” said another.

The “concealed” part of concealed carry may have made it easy for business owners to just not think much about who is or isn’t toting a gun.

Now, with open carry as the law, they must be explicitly clear. Anecdotally, unhappy posters at the pro-gun site Texas3006.com report a rash of businesses putting up new signs banning both concealed and open firearms.


Did Open Carry backfire on Texas gun owners? | | Dallas Morning News

List of Texas Businesses Prohibiting Open Carry Exceeds 400 | Blogs | San Antonio Current
Let me see if I get this correct, an armed criminal walks into a business that prohibits the carry of a gun and starts a mass shooting, then an armed good guy pulls out his weapon, fires at the bad guy and stops him, instead of being called a hero, there's a good chance he'll be arrested and charged with the violation of the law stated on the sign at the entrance that disallows open or concealed carry. That makes a lot of sense.

They should learn from past incidents where bad guys ignored the signs at the entrance and walked into gun-free zones and committed criminal acts. That's why I would stay away from such businesses.
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Old 01-21-2016, 04:47 PM
 
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Instead of making open and concealed carry easier the new law is making it harder. I've seen more "no gun" signs going up than I saw before the new law - both 30.06 signs (no concealed carry) and 30.07 signs (no open carry).

“We have lost more than we gained,” said one frustrated poster to the online site TexasCHLforum.com, which invites discussion about concealed gun permit laws in the state. “This has woken up the ‘anti’ crowd in a big way.”

“Places that were not concerned previously are taking sides because of the recent publicity,” said another.

The “concealed” part of concealed carry may have made it easy for business owners to just not think much about who is or isn’t toting a gun.

Now, with open carry as the law, they must be explicitly clear. Anecdotally, unhappy posters at the pro-gun site Texas3006.com report a rash of businesses putting up new signs banning both concealed and open firearms.




Did Open Carry backfire on Texas gun owners? | | Dallas Morning News

List of Texas Businesses Prohibiting Open Carry Exceeds 400 | Blogs | San Antonio Current
Why don't they report the before and after stats? You first link show a picture from 2015, when did the law go into effect?

Also, the Texas3006.com has less that 100 post, all done...... guess when....TODAY......Hahahahaaaaaa

I guess less than 100 business (91 to be exact) is a RASH.....

https://www.texas3006.com/index.php

Talk about fear mongering.....lol....

Screen shot for proof....LOL....

New open carry law is backfiring in Texas-today.png
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Old 01-21-2016, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Why don't they report the before and after stats? You first link show a picture from 2015, when did the law go into effect?

Also, the Texas3006.com has less that 100 post, all done...... guess when....TODAY......Hahahahaaaaaa

I guess less than 100 business (91 to be exact) is a RASH.....

https://www.texas3006.com/index.php

Talk about fear mongering.....lol....

Screen shot for proof....LOL....

Attachment 164757
Too funny! Maybe this was a subversive way to promote someones new blog site, huh?
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