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Old 01-22-2016, 06:23 AM
 
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I've blamed Barack for a lot of the problems with our foreign policy and especially the Middle East.

But if you look at what is coming out regarding Hillary everyday, there is more and more evidence of just how much of a trainwreck she was as SOS.

Has Obama been putting out fires she started his entire 2nd term? Is this why she stepped down after only one term as SOS? Seems to me she would have been in a better position as a candidate for President if she still held the office.

Was she told to step down and it's been kept a secret?

Did we knuckle under to Iran because they have some of our secrets they could embarrass us with? Was Russia emboldened by information they stole from Clinton's server?

I would love to know the real facts but one thing is certain, Hillary seriously damaged this country in 4 years as SOS. I think Obama has caught a lot of flack for it too.
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Old 01-22-2016, 06:44 AM
 
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I've blamed Barack for a lot of the problems with our foreign policy and especially the Middle East.

But if you look at what is coming out regarding Hillary everyday, there is more and more evidence of just how much of a trainwreck she was as SOS.

Has Obama been putting out fires she started his entire 2nd term? Is this why she stepped down after only one term as SOS? Seems to me she would have been in a better position as a candidate for President if she still held the office.

Was she told to step down and it's been kept a secret?

Did we knuckle under to Iran because they have some of our secrets they could embarrass us with? Was Russia emboldened by information they stole from Clinton's server?

I would love to know the real facts but one thing is certain, Hillary seriously damaged this country in 4 years as SOS. I think Obama has caught a lot of flack for it too.
Did Hillary ruin Obama's presidency?

No, he has ruined his Presidency ALL by himself.

Her actions haven't HELPED him any though.
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Old 01-22-2016, 06:50 AM
 
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Did Hillary ruin Obama's presidency?

No, he has ruined his Presidency ALL by himself.

Her actions haven't HELPED him any though.
This.
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Old 01-22-2016, 06:50 AM
 
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I've blamed Barack for a lot of the problems with our foreign policy and especially the Middle East.

But if you look at what is coming out regarding Hillary everyday, there is more and more evidence of just how much of a trainwreck she was as SOS.

Has Obama been putting out fires she started his entire 2nd term? Is this why she stepped down after only one term as SOS? Seems to me she would have been in a better position as a candidate for President if she still held the office.

Was she told to step down and it's been kept a secret?

Did we knuckle under to Iran because they have some of our secrets they could embarrass us with? Was Russia emboldened by information they stole from Clinton's server?

I would love to know the real facts but one thing is certain, Hillary seriously damaged this country in 4 years as SOS. I think Obama has caught a lot of flack for it too.

This is an interesting thought........could be why Putin and Iran is getting away with so much and feel comfortable pushing the limits.
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Old 01-22-2016, 06:56 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I've blamed Barack for a lot of the problems with our foreign policy and especially the Middle East.

But if you look at what is coming out regarding Hillary everyday, there is more and more evidence of just how much of a trainwreck she was as SOS.

Has Obama been putting out fires she started his entire 2nd term? Is this why she stepped down after only one term as SOS? Seems to me she would have been in a better position as a candidate for President if she still held the office.

Was she told to step down and it's been kept a secret?

Did we knuckle under to Iran because they have some of our secrets they could embarrass us with? Was Russia emboldened by information they stole from Clinton's server?

I would love to know the real facts but one thing is certain, Hillary seriously damaged this country in 4 years as SOS. I think Obama has caught a lot of flack for it too.
Would love to blame HRC for Obama's trainwreck of a presidency but the real honor goes to Valerie Jarrett. Of course that all implies, and rightly so, Obama was mindless danging fob who was manipulated by jarrett, HRC, Rahm, et al, who mitigated the counsel of his subject experts.
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Old 01-22-2016, 07:21 AM
 
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This is an interesting thought........could be why Putin and Iran is getting away with so much and feel comfortable pushing the limits.
Getting away with what? Having their economies crippled, giving up the ability to create a nuclear weapon?

Obama, and other western leaders, should get the blame for being so naive about how the Arab Spring would end. Supporting both the removal of Gaddafi and Assad have been disasters. But the way he's handled both Russia and thawing relations with Iran has been very good and will have long term results.

What do you think he was going to do, go to war with Russia over Ukraine and Syria? Why do that when you can play the safer long game by hobbling their economy and let Putin hang himself.
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Old 01-22-2016, 07:38 AM
 
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Obama was well on his way to his own train wreck, he didn't need Hillary's help.

The problem over the last several years is a weakness in leadership both here and abroad. While the world has been turning and churning the American people have spent more time watching the latest celebrity scandal than tuning in to what is going on.
We have been lulled into expecting less from our elected leaders and all they seem to have is their eyes on the next election cycle and what is best for them not America.

One has to wonder if Obama gave Hillary the SOS job to keep her happy. Secretary of State is a serious job that she used more as a stepping stone to get ready for her election run.

I would like to see a candidate for any job do that job to the best of their abilities and not merely be looking to the possible future.
Hillary was a lousy SOS then again is Kerry any better?

We all deserve better.
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Old 01-22-2016, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I've blamed Barack for a lot of the problems with our foreign policy and especially the Middle East.
Care to be specific?
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Did we knuckle under to Iran because they have some of our secrets they could embarrass us with?
Seems that Obama's Administration used highly successful diplomacy to win the release of sailors the very next day and captives held for years.
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Old 01-22-2016, 07:50 AM
 
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Well, Hillary DID pick Obama's staff and make all his major political appointments. She set his agenda on health care, appointed herself his SOS. If Obama's presidency was a train wreck( and it was), then it could be said it was more her fault than his. He just did what he was told to do and probably had very little invested in the decision making. The extent of his involvement was limited to worrying about his image.
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Old 01-22-2016, 07:54 AM
 
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Care to be specific?Seems that Obama's Administration used highly successful diplomacy to win the release of sailors the very next day and captives held for years.
Staged as part of Obama agreement which gave money to Iran for hostages which John 'Swiftboat' Kerry just said could be used to fund terrorism! DUH!
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