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The incident was uphill from all the other officers. If Finicum had been shot from below, there would have been puffs of snow visible afterward, because there are always bullets shot that miss their target in such events.
There were none.
What there was, as the video went on to show, was a lot of laser spots trained on him once some officers got into a better position. No one shot him again, but they all wanted to take no chances until they all knew he was dead. Or completely unconscious.
Tasers have killed those with weak hearts before.
If one was used, a lucky strike to the heart of a middle aged man who's struggling in the snow in panic could have been enough to kill him with no gunshots involved. His heart rate must have been in the 200s right then. A zap could have done it.
No one knows how many times Finicum was shot, or what hit him. 3 shots? 9? 100? Until the autopsy findings are reported, no one knows. But it seems to me that if the private autopsy that was done wasn't let out to the public by his family, the findings must have not been what they expected.
For all we know, a bullet may never have killed him.
The FBI learned from Waco and Ruby Ridge, and used the same patience they showed at the Malheur Bird Refuge many times before to capture people like the Bundys ever since.
I get brain chills every time I recall hearing FBI agent Mark saying "Keep walking my friend. Hallelujah."
Actually it is an interesting theory, at least the part about the taser. I wondered myself how/why the shooter shot at Lavoy with all the other officers in the line of fire. Plus, the part about his right hand going for his gun after operating the taser makes a lot of sense. Otherwise, what was he doing with that hand?
On the minus side, why would the other cops shoot him at that point? Doesn't make sense, unless they still felt threatened, and THAT is legit justification in my mind. Even if the cops jumped the gun (so to speak), it was still suicide by cop.
This taser theory is one of the most plausible ones of seen. If, they shot him while laying down incapacitated, it would be hard to claim that he was an immediate lethal threat that justified their using lethal force.
Making this into a right versus left issue isn't really a good idea. Use this as a reason to attack conservatives, Christians, or gun owners and you will be inviting more support for these nutcases from people who wouldn't otherwise. This is really about some western ranchers who fancy themselves land barons and want the public lands turned into their private kingdoms. It's been an issue for over a century. It's nothing new. What's new is the internet makes it easy for these people to gain recruits to do their dirty work. More than a few conservatives aren't happy with them either. Many a hunter has been chased off or fenced off from public lands they have a right to use by these clowns. The area of Oregon they went to isn't exactly a liberal bastion at all and the locals wanted nothing of these people. The Hammonds ticked off quite a few wildland firefighters with their unannounced back burn under a camp that almost turned deadly. Firefighters are a pretty diverse group ranging from liberal to conservative. There are also many militia groups who saw right through the Bundy types and didn't support them.
Actually, I wasn't trying to make it into a left/right issue. These folks have had their counterparts on the left. There was a time when a few leftists were doing their best to provoke a new revolution, but these days, the people doing their best to provoke seem to be almost all on the right. Doesn't mean that will always be the case, but in this case, it clearly was/is.
And the complaints of western ranchers regarding federal land management were obviously just an excuse for these particular folks. It's possible that had they been more focussed and a *lot* less clownish, they might have gotten more public support. But maybe not. Maybe most americans still believe that "jaw, jaw is better than war, war", no matter how frustrating it can be to resist the tide.
This taser theory is one of the most plausible ones of seen. If, they shot him while laying down incapacitated, it would be hard to claim that he was an immediate lethal threat that justified their using lethal force.
From what I understand Finicum's family had another autopsy done why hasn't the family attorney come forward with the results of that if they show something that shows he was tased, or shot 9 times, or whatever the latest story floating around is? And why haven't they filed a wrongful death suit? Doesn't that kind of make you go hmmm?
I don't think they were in the line of fire, but here's the deal. If Finicum had kept his hands up he would be alive today. end of story.
Precisely.
The idea seems to be that law enforcement - who throughout went out of their way to keep any bloodshed from happening - were somehow itching for an excuse to gun down a minor player. It's silly.
From what I understand Finicum's family had another autopsy done why hasn't the family attorney come forward with the results of that if they show something that shows he was tased, or shot 9 times, or whatever the latest story floating around is? And why haven't they filed a wrongful death suit? Doesn't that kind of make you go hmmm?
They could be preparing to file a criminal complaint, or to bring a law suit, who knows, maybe not. If they are, it would of course make sense that they are not making their information public at this time.
They could be preparing to file a criminal complaint, or to bring a law suit, who knows, maybe not. If they are, it would of course make sense that they are not making their information public at this time.
makes no sense at all, sorry. If they had anything their attorney would have leaked it in advance of the release of the full autopsy report in order to gain sympathy and support for Finicum. How could it be in their interest to withhold information that would support their allegation that he was murdered? And why would the feds have murdered him? They were completely justified in shooting him he was reaching for a gun. What are you suggesting, that they should have taken cover and let him run around and shoot at them until he ran out of ammo and then wrestled him to the ground and arrested him?
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