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Old 01-27-2016, 09:07 PM
 
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These buffoons need to learn how to be men. They cry about not getting/using land resources for free. They try to get their way by bullying with their guns. How about actually getting a job, save some money and buy your own damn land. They seem like such gutless cowards. Sounds like this loser took the easy way out via suicide by cop.
Honestly, without public land, there would be no ranching of the kind that allows Cliven Bundy to make a living.

& this is the thing. He knows it.

& this is the other thing. There are thousands of real ranchers who know this too.

The difference? The real ranchers are not whiners or cry babies or pampered millionaire welfare queens.

 
Old 01-27-2016, 09:08 PM
 
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Good god, that's enough to make anyone's blood boil.
 
Old 01-27-2016, 09:10 PM
 
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Honestly, without public land, there would be no ranching of the kind that allows Cliven Bundy to make a living.

& this is the thing. He knows it.

& this is the other thing. There are thousands of real ranchers who know this too.

The difference? One are not whiners or cry babies or pampered millionaire welfare queens.
It would be pretty awesome if the actions of Y'All Queda made the US taxpayers sit up and ask themselves "Why are we selling grazing rights way below market value to those ingrates?"

I would, in fact, be amused.
 
Old 01-27-2016, 09:23 PM
 
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It would be pretty awesome if the actions of Y'All Queda made the US taxpayers sit up and ask themselves "Why are we selling grazing rights way below market value to those ingrates?"

I would, in fact, be amused.
There's a possibility that this could be a natural consequence of their actions.

It makes me a bit sad though because there are examples of various groups of peoples working cooperatively to achieve sustainable outcomes in these areas. For example, ranchers working with environmentalists working with government representatives (local, state, federal) working with local community members ...

& working it out.

Without the Y'All Queda drama. It's just not necessary.
 
Old 01-27-2016, 09:28 PM
 
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There's a possibility that this could be a natural consequence of their actions.

It makes me a bit sad though because there are examples of various groups of peoples working cooperatively to achieve sustainable outcomes in these areas. For example, ranchers working with environmentalists working with government representatives (local, state, federal) working with local community members ...

& working it out.

Without the Y'All Queda drama. It's just not necessary.
Good points, all. Never mind, then.
 
Old 01-27-2016, 09:51 PM
 
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Anyone else been following the live stream of the last 5 holdouts at the refuge? 4 guys and a gal, sitting around a campfire, drunk and stoned (they have a good size stash), talking about the night sky and guns and snacks, joking about porn movies, having a group prayer. They seem to think the FBI's or "Delta" is going to rush them tonight.
All that sounds interesting but mostly it's just banal time-killing drunk talk.
 
Old 01-27-2016, 09:56 PM
 
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Anyone else been following the live stream of the last 5 holdouts at the refuge? 4 guys and a gal, sitting around a campfire, drunk and stoned (they have a good size stash), talking about the night sky and guns and snacks, joking about porn movies, having a group prayer. They seem to think the FBI's or "Delta" is going to rush them tonight.
All that sounds interesting but mostly it's just banal time-killing drunk talk.
Link?
 
Old 01-27-2016, 10:19 PM
 
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Link?
I've closed the window. On youtube it's defendyourbase. Look for the thumbnails that show a campfire against a black background. There are several, you can click on each and see how long ago it was uploaded, last one I streamed was put up about 1.5 hours ago.

edit to add: here's one from earlier in the evening:
http://live-video.leadstories.com/48...=socialnetwork
 
Old 01-27-2016, 10:20 PM
 
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Anyone else been following the live stream of the last 5 holdouts at the refuge? 4 guys and a gal, sitting around a campfire, drunk and stoned (they have a good size stash), talking about the night sky and guns and snacks, joking about porn movies, having a group prayer. They seem to think the FBI's or "Delta" is going to rush them tonight.
All that sounds interesting but mostly it's just banal time-killing drunk talk.
I've checked out a couple of the youtube videos, it's - mesmerizing. And the FBI will likely walk in when they're good and hungover, best time to make arrests.
 
Old 01-27-2016, 10:45 PM
 
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I've closed the window. On youtube it's defendyourbase. Look for the thumbnails that show a campfire against a black background. There are several, you can click on each and see how long ago it was uploaded, last one I streamed was put up about 1.5 hours ago.

edit to add: here's one from earlier in the evening:
Watch Live: Behind The Lines As Militia Prepares For Feds Raid At Oregon Wildlife Refuge | Lead Stories

This will most likely disappear.......looking up what you said, I found this.......this is disturbing. People are talking about crisis actors.....
OREGON STANDOFF CRISIS ACTORS!? MILITIA CAUGHT TALKING ABOUT SIGNING ‘TALENT RELEASES’ | Underground World News
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