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Old 01-29-2016, 08:55 PM
 
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Isn't it also possible, and a whole lot more likely, that he reached for his gun and was shot in response?

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There is an interesting new theory about what may have happened in the FBI shooting.

It is possible that when Lavoy Finicum hands came down near his waist, it was because he was reacting to being shot. This would match an eye witness account, and you can clearly see an officer that is standing behind Finicum, take off running to get behind one of the trucks, indicating that he was moving out of the line of fire from the officer that came out of the woods, who may have been shooting.

I'm not saying that this is what happened, but it is clearly plausible with what we can see in the video. It will be interesting to see the autopsy report to see if Finicum was shot in the waist area.

 
Old 01-29-2016, 09:06 PM
 
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Isn't it also possible, and a whole lot more likely, that he reached for his gun and was shot in response?
It is of course possible. Either possibility is equally likely to have happened with what we can see in the video.

You can bet that there were cameras on the ground, it would be interesting to see the video, and determine if we can hear gunshots when Finicum's hands were still up.
 
Old 01-29-2016, 09:09 PM
 
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Per the live stream the feds are rolling in now.
 
Old 01-29-2016, 09:13 PM
 
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One possibility is that OSP officers shot and killed a man with his hands up, while being filmed, with multiple witnesses.

The other possibility is that a man who publicly stated he would rather die than be arrested, reached for a weapon he was known to carry (and was carrying), after resisting arrest and a high speed car chase, and was shot by police. This is also verified by eyewitnesses.

You seem to think these are equally likely? Really?

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It is of course possible. Either possibility is equally likely to have happened with what we can see in the video.

You can bet that there were cameras on the ground, it would be interesting to see the video, and determine if we can hear gunshots when Finicum's hands were still up.
 
Old 01-29-2016, 09:19 PM
 
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One possibility is that OSP officers shot and killed a man with his hands up, while being filmed, with multiple witnesses.

The other possibility is that a man who publicly stated he would rather die than be arrested, reached for a weapon he was known to carry (and was carrying), after resisting arrest and a high speed car chase, and was shot by police. This is also verified by eyewitnesses.

You seem to think these are equally likely? Really?
I said based on what we see in the video, both were equally likely.
 
Old 01-29-2016, 09:24 PM
 
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Based on the video alone, he could have also had some jock itch he really had to deal with.

However based on the context and witness accounts the scenario described by the FBI is far more likely.

I am not one to advocate violence by any part (police or otherwise), but I am having a really hard time saying that this was not justified. It appears however, that the 'patriot' folks all of a sudden cannot fathom that LaVoy lived up to his own words.

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I said based on what we see in the video, both were equally likely.
 
Old 01-30-2016, 06:42 AM
 
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You don't seem to draw a distinction between carrying a firearm and firing one. The Constitution does not say that you lose your right to keep and bear arms while petitioning the government for a redress of grievances.
LaVoy thought that too.
 
Old 01-30-2016, 06:43 AM
 
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If they were black that would be a racist comment.
It is good that they were sent lube in addition to snacks.
 
Old 01-30-2016, 07:46 AM
 
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Does anyone know how Ryan Bundy got shot? I can't seem to find a good source to explain how he was injured.
 
Old 01-30-2016, 07:59 AM
 
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