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It's completely irrelevant. Someone determined to kill themselves knows how effective a firearm is. Same goes for people that jump in front of freight trains.
We don't see people calling for "common sense train laws".
People in Japan far out-suicide us, and they don't have people calling for "common sense rope laws".
The national discussion you are referring to is depression, not what determined depressed people select for suicide.
Dude go back and reread the original post. The topic is about gun related deaths exceeding wartime deaths. You can't cherry pick the types of gun deaths. I'm not arguing for gun restrictions. I'm just stating that people take their lives by using a firearm. It's not something you can just dismiss. And no it is not completely irrelevant just because you say so.
Dang ... it is ok to talk about black deaths but white deaths is off limits. In 2013 there were 41,149 suicides. 41,149 suicides is double the number you are citing. Those are the latest suicides numbers. Seventy percent of suicides are committed by WHITE MALES. Black male by large don't kill themselves. They might kill each other but not themselves. Btw, there is nothing noble in killing yourself. How about providing some attribution to support your argument. Here is my proof:
What are we talking about? Guns and violence using guns. Gun suicides were brought up, the statement was incorrect and soundly disproven. Move on.
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Dude go back and reread the original post. The topic is about gun related deaths exceeding wartime deaths. You can't cherry pick the types of gun deaths. I'm not arguing for gun restrictions. I'm just stating that people take their lives by using a firearm. It's not something you can just dismiss. And no it is not completely irrelevant just because you say so.
If you care that much go open a new thread and stop mucking up this one. This thread is about " U.S. Shootings Since 1963 Have Killed More Americans Than All Wars Ever". Since suicides are not "shootings" the premise of the title is irrelevant.
You want to start a thread on white male suicide rates being a big issue, GOOD! I will be there with bells on extolling the lack of public health outcry, the disparity between postpartum depression screening vs developing male, the mockery of male coping strategy, the way that the feminization of the education process is harmful to boys. IN. ANOTHER. THREAD.
The premise of this thread is a farce to begin with. Adjusting for population is statistics 101 stuff. Could anyone that thinks this is a valid comparison explain why you're breaking a fundamental rule of statistics here?
The premise of this thread is a farce to begin with. Adjusting for population is statistics 101 stuff. Could anyone that thinks this is a valid comparison explain why you're breaking a fundamental rule of statistics here?
Most people don't understand statistics. If you understand statistics, then that shouldn't be a surprise to you.
What are we talking about? Guns and violence using guns. Gun suicides were brought up, the statement was incorrect and soundly disproven. Move on.
If you care that much go open a new thread and stop mucking up this one. This thread is about " U.S. Shootings Since 1963 Have Killed More Americans Than All Wars Ever". Since suicides are not "shootings" the premise of the title is irrelevant.
You want to start a thread on white male suicide rates being a big issue, GOOD! I will be there with bells on extolling the lack of public health outcry, the disparity between postpartum depression screening vs developing male, the mockery of male coping strategy, the way that the feminization of the education process is harmful to boys. IN. ANOTHER. THREAD.
What was exactly disproven about suicides, were they not caused by guns???
I am going to disagree, but I understand your sentiment. Having to write essays for a permit, pay hundreds of dollars in fees and time off work, drive an extra hundred miles every time you purchase (like I have to), and the rest of the nonsense that has been coming about while the government officials specifically state that the purpose is to reduce gun ownership then I would have to say yes it is a punishment AND a constitutional infringement.
What changes? Permitting alcohol sales? No "High Capacity Containers" laws? Or did we educate people on the dangers of drunk driving and only punish people who drove under the influence instead of sweeping laws that regulate people from enjoying their drinks?
There is no way you could compare average firearms laws in states like NY, CA, NJ, etc to alcohol laws with a straight face.
And the laws have been increasing for firearms. We have over 2000 on the books.
Laws addressing alcohol were in fact significant as were the gun laws in the states you mentioned, but on the national level - nothing.
Since suicides are not "shootings" the premise of the title is irrelevant.
When you pull the trigger of a gun, a spring mechanism hammers a metal firing pin into the back end of the bullet, igniting the small explosive charge in the primer. The primer then ignites the propellant—the main explosive that occupies about two thirds of a typical bullet's volume. As the propellant chemicals burn, they generate lots of gas very quickly. The gas shoots from the back of the bullet, increasing the pressure behind it, and forcing it down the gun barrel. ANYTIME a bullet is fired through the barrel of a firearm it is a shooting regardless of who are what it strikes.
Get over the demographic issue and instead accept with the facts.
You can never have an efficient totalitarian police state, when it has to be “benevolent” and fearful of millions of armed citizens. And you can’t disarm millions of armed citizens when they won’t tell you where the arms are. And you can’t arrest them until you criminalize their disobedience to “reasonable” gun restrictions and “common sense” registration. And you can’t tolerate their belief that they have an “endowed right” to self defense against tyranny, that supersedes your political power of the bigger gun.
• An Armed Populace Fears No Government.
• A Disarmed Populace Fears All Government.
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Every Communist must grasp the truth, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party. Yet, having guns, we can create Party organizations, as witness the powerful Party organizations which the Eighth Route Army has created in northern China. We can also create cadres, create schools, create culture, create mass movements. Everything in Yenan has been created by having guns. All things grow out of the barrel of a gun. According to the Marxist theory of the state, the army is the chief component of state power. Whoever wants to seize and retain state power must have a strong army. Some people ridicule us as advocates of the "omnipotence of war". Yes, we are advocates of the omnipotence of revolutionary war; that is good, not bad, it is Marxist. The guns of the Russian Communist Party created socialism. We shall create a democratic republic. Experience in the class struggle in the era of imperialism teaches us that it is only by the power of the gun that the working class and the laboring masses can defeat the armed bourgeoisie and landlords; in this sense we may say that only with guns can the whole world be transformed. We are advocates of the abolition of war, we do not want war; but war can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun.
- - - Mao Zedong (Mao Tse-tung) Mao's concluding speech at the Sixth Plenary Session of the Sixth Central Committee of the Party.
“We are advocates of the abolition of war.”
For once all guns are ours to command, no one dare oppose “us.”
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And car accidents have killed ten times more than that and people die of hart attacks bought on by eating fast food die five times more than that bla bla bla there are lies damn lies and statistics. You can twist things any way you want but the fact is sister I do not need a 30 round magazine to kill a deer that is also true, but the second amendment was not written to hunt deer. What we have here is failure to communicate which is the way she wants it. Well she gets it. Some liberals you just can not reach.
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