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"feminist men" I know my fair share that would die protecting a woman, child, friend or his country.
changing cultural stereotypes takes decades sometimes 100 years or more. you don't stop trying to instill equality for all in people because you have a few knuckle draggers. times have changed and women do have to know the best way to keep them safe. not all attacks will happen when a woman is accompanied by a quick thinking qualified man to protect her. you hear of stories now from our big US cities of women being raped as passerby's did nothing. people passed out hurt on the street and no one helps.
It's also not just women and girls who have to be worried about rape. A 10 year old boy had been repeatedly raped in one of the asylum centers. When the migrants prevented workers from relocating him, the police were called. The police presence did nothing to diffuse the situation and the police became so fearful that they fled in fear for their lives. https://www.rt.com/news/330180-polic...fugees-sweden/
No question that women are mainly responsible for making decisions in their own interests and that, in a wider context than that of this thread, that includes being financially independent. However, as you would probably agree, marrying the genius computer programmer to get out of the ghetto is no guarantee of anything, because that only puts them under the financial control of the genius computer programmer, who can also turn out to be a disaster (plus, not all women are attracted to this type). On the other hand, many a dumb beefcake has turned out to be a good husband and father.
But where is it written that a man can only fall into two categories -- genius or beefcake? Or that one must look like the Incredible Hulk to show some backbone? Do older men have to lose their cojones and become helpless because they can no longer match young men's physical abilities? (this is where firearms come in, though that's a topic for another discussion).
There is nothing inconsistent with being an educated, financially successful individual and being a MAN -- someone who is aware that life sometimes demands you act in your own defense or that of your loved ones. There is more to being a man than having an advanced degree and a high income; and having those does not excuse you from your moral obligations to protect your family and your community.
Edit: nothing I have said means that American women have to depend on men, only that they should be able to.
No question that women are mainly responsible for making decisions in their own interests and that, in a wider context than that of this thread, that includes being financially independent. However, as you would probably agree, marrying the genius computer programmer to get out of the ghetto is no guarantee of anything, because that only puts them under the financial control of the genius computer programmer, who can also turn out to be a disaster (plus, not all women are attracted to this type). On the other hand, many a dumb beefcake has turned out to be a good husband and father.
But where is it written that a man can only fall into two categories -- genius or beefcake? Or that one must look like the Incredible Hulk to show some backbone? Do older men have to lose their cojones and become helpless because they can no longer match young men's physical abilities? (this is where firearms come in, though that's a topic for another discussion).
There is nothing inconsistent with being an educated, financially successful individual and being a MAN -- someone who is aware that life sometimes demands you act in your own defense or that of your loved ones. There is more to being a man than having an advanced degree and a high income; and having those does not excuse you from your moral obligations to protect your family and your community.
Edit: nothing I have said means that American women have to depend on men, only that they should be able to.
I agree with all of that. I just don't see many skills that are useful for men that also wouldn't be useful for women. I expect to see, in the future, the behavior of the sexes becoming more similar with time. Most women will always be better at parenting. Most men will always be better at things that require aggression and definitely things that require strength.
It seems like 99% of the time the way to act in defense of loved ones is to be reliable and financially stable, not rich, just financially stable. The thing is, that's just about equally important for women.
What's left for men to do that women can't in most relationships? Generally men will be better at some things and women will be better at other things...but it seems, for the most part, encouraging one sex to be excel at certain traits and not the other is done just because it will make the parents feel better an help the kid fit in better. It seems like a fun thing for a leisure class to do, not a culture that values maximum gains from effort.
I think. Fighting skill is leisure activity/source of entertainment. It probably should be something rich people learn to do in their free time.
Standing up for yourself is more useful...but that doesn't seem like anything that requires a huge amount of training. I don't know why people think modern men lack the ability to stand up for themselves and those they care about. Heck, I don't even know why people see the Europeans in dresses as lacking the ability to stand up for themselves and those they care about. We don't know what those men in dresses are doing in their free time. Maybe they're roving neighborhoods with baseball bats, searching for women to protect.
I will say that men wearing dresses to protest rape is stupid. It's very, very stupid.
No question that women are mainly responsible for making decisions in their own interests and that, in a wider context than that of this thread, that includes being financially independent. However, as you would probably agree, marrying the genius computer programmer to get out of the ghetto is no guarantee of anything, because that only puts them under the financial control of the genius computer programmer, who can also turn out to be a disaster (plus, not all women are attracted to this type). On the other hand, many a dumb beefcake has turned out to be a good husband and father.
But where is it written that a man can only fall into two categories -- genius or beefcake? Or that one must look like the Incredible Hulk to show some backbone? Do older men have to lose their cojones and become helpless because they can no longer match young men's physical abilities? (this is where firearms come in, though that's a topic for another discussion).
There is nothing inconsistent with being an educated, financially successful individual and being a MAN -- someone who is aware that life sometimes demands you act in your own defense or that of your loved ones. There is more to being a man than having an advanced degree and a high income; and having those does not excuse you from your moral obligations to protect your family and your community.
Edit: nothing I have said means that American women have to depend on men, only that they should be able to.
I'll agree with that.
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you hear of stories now from our big US cities of women being raped as passerby's did nothing. people passed out hurt on the street and no one helps.
