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Old 01-28-2016, 09:57 PM
 
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While doing some tax research I encountered a city that imposes a 1.75% tax on residential rentals to "multiple unrelated tenants" - rentals to a family or an individual are not subject to this tax.

I had never previously heard of any tax like this, and it rubs me the wrong way.

Do you support this sort of tax? Does it constitute "culture war"? Is it okay to impose higher taxes on singles or to landlords who rent to singles?
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Old 01-28-2016, 10:16 PM
 
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Seems like a very local issue.
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Old 01-28-2016, 10:25 PM
 
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This would vary by city. In Mesa AZ for example there is a 1.75% city tax if you lease to "multiple unrelated tenants" (typically non related students).

Note that the 1.75% tax is business tax - on retail and commercial leases, and on residential units if you own more than one rental unit. It does not apply though if you own just 1 rental unit - that is not considered a business - unless you rent it out to "multiple unrelated tenants" (ie: rotating multiple short term students through it). Then it is considered a business for tax purposes. The tax does not apply to "private single family residences" which "multiple unrelated tenants" are not.

http://mesaaz.gov/home/showdocument?id=12101

What To Do With Multiple Unrelated Tenants? - WILMOTH Group

A Condominium Declaration Can Prohibit Short-term Rentals to Unrelated Students | Condo Adviser

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Old 01-28-2016, 11:31 PM
 
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This would vary by city. In Mesa AZ for example there is a 1.75% city tax if you lease to "multiple unrelated tenants" (typically non related students).

Note that the 1.75% tax is business tax - on retail and commercial leases, and on residential units if you own more than one rental unit. It does not apply though if you own just 1 rental unit - that is not considered a business - unless you rent it out to "multiple unrelated tenants" (ie: rotating multiple short term students through it). Then it is considered a business for tax purposes. The tax does not apply to "private single family residences" which "multiple unrelated tenants" are not.

http://mesaaz.gov/home/showdocument?id=12101

What To Do With Multiple Unrelated Tenants? - WILMOTH Group

A Condominium Declaration Can Prohibit Short-term Rentals to Unrelated Students | Condo Adviser

So it applies if you own only one rental property and you rent it to "multiple unrelated tenants". Landlords are given the option of bundling the tax into the rent charged, or breaking out the tax as a separate charge.

I'm aware that landlords have varying policies on renting to multiple unrelated tenants, I've never before seen government treat them differently than they treat other monthly rentals.

To me that looks like a penalty for being poor, since landlords do pass the tax to their tenants, and often explicitly so. I once rented from a retired teacher who lived in the house until retirement; she kept the house as a rental with the primary purpose to allow her children to inherit it with a stepped-up tax basis. I have difficulty with the logic that if she rents the house to multiple unrelated tenants she's operating a business, but if she rents it to a family or an individual, she's not operating a business.

In this case it is a local issue but presumably there is nothing to stop other locals from doing the same thing and ultimately making it a commonplace.

Since the tax is often explicitly paid by tenants, do tenants have any recourse or action on the 14th Amendment ground of equal protection? (There isn't a law forum here, so this is the best place I could find.)
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Old 01-29-2016, 01:46 AM
 
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I believe these are illegal taxes that discriminate against specific parties but are not evenly applied to all.
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Old 01-29-2016, 06:27 AM
 
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Do you support this sort of tax?
no

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Does it constitute "culture war"?
eh.. that's a little bit dramatic.

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Is it okay to impose higher taxes on singles or to landlords who rent to singles?
it is "okay", in the sense that it is legal, and generally tolerable. but the cohort we're talking about tends to be young and poor, and imposing 'special' taxes on a group of people that are disproportionately poor is not ethical IMO.

it sounds like a misguided attempt to keep a neighborhood or area free from college age people.
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Old 01-29-2016, 12:53 PM
 
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While doing some tax research I encountered a city that imposes a 1.75% tax on residential rentals to "multiple unrelated tenants" - rentals to a family or an individual are not subject to this tax.

I had never previously heard of any tax like this, and it rubs me the wrong way.

Do you support this sort of tax? Does it constitute "culture war"? Is it okay to impose higher taxes on singles or to landlords who rent to singles?
Actually, not that long ago unrelated adults were not allowed to cohabit in part of northern Virginia.
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Old 01-29-2016, 12:56 PM
 
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Actually, not that long ago unrelated adults were not allowed to cohabit in part of northern Virginia.
So three single women could not rent a house together? Wow
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Old 01-29-2016, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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What is the controversy here? It sure isn't political.

You rent a place out to people unrelated to you, you pay taxes on the income. I fail to see politics or controversy here.

I see the day to day life of a landlord. Move this to the Rental forum.
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Old 01-29-2016, 09:49 PM
 
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So three single women could not rent a house together? Wow

A century ago, unmarried women were expected to live with their parents and unmarried men were expected to live in crummy rooming or boarding houses.
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