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Old 02-09-2008, 10:21 PM
 
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A womans choice is the choice to have unprotected sex with a man she doesn't intend to marry.


this assumption is wrong. Many women that end a pregnancy are married and have children already.
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Old 02-09-2008, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Wahiawa,Hi
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I won't say what all I think that is,-I'll just say it is very sad but, sad doesn't really get me there. I suppose I shouldn't be surprized. It is representative of the mores the left has imported from a bankrupt sense of morality into mainstream thoughts and actions.
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Old 02-09-2008, 10:48 PM
 
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I have news for you.. plenty of those on the "right" get abortions, too, in fact half of all the women in the US will have an abortion sometime in their life. One of out of 5 is a "born again" or evangelical Christian.
Abortion Common Among All Women, Even Those Thought to Oppose Abortion

I doubt those nice evangelical christian women are "left". It's just always much easier to judge others. One of those do as I say but no as I do cases, I guess.
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Old 02-09-2008, 11:24 PM
 
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The courts in Roe v. Wade never made an declaration as to when life begins: at conception, at birth, or sometime in between. It's still up for debate.
The question was not before them. The issue was whether the state had an unconditioned right, as was the general (but disintegrating) practice at the time, to interfere with a woman's right not to be pregnant.

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But since several states have made it illegal to have third trimester abortions, I guess they have decided the "in between" is the answer.
As was noted earlier, the trimester system has not been a relevant standard for fifteen years. Under Casey, despite their having no compelling interest, states may regulate the conditions under which pre-viability abortions are performed so long as they do not create an undue burden on a woman's exercise of her right not to be pregnant anymore. They may proscribe post-viability abortion, except when continuing a pregnancy would pose a threat to the life or health of the mother. Many of the states that have third trimester bans on the books simply never rescinded their pre-1973 laws. All such laws are unconstitutional and unenforceable.

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The taxpayer expense argument is a non-starter. The responsibility falls on the child-bearer. Why in the world would it be any other way? If you can't pay to raise a child, don't get pregnant.
You again misunderstand the issue. A woman is under no obligation whatsoever to continue an unwanted pregnancy. If the state wishes then to step in and attempt to sustain the products of an abortion of a 12-week old fetus, it is entirely the obligation of the state to support that effort. Termination of the woman's interest fully terminates her responsibility.
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Old 02-09-2008, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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I have news for you.. plenty of those on the "right" get abortions, too, in fact half of all the women in the US will have an abortion sometime in their life. One of out of 5 is a "born again" or evangelical Christian.
Abortion Common Among All Women, Even Those Thought to Oppose Abortion

I doubt those nice evangelical christian women are "left". It's just always much easier to judge others. One of those do as I say but no as I do cases, I guess.
I know there are quite a few, but half of the women sounds quite a bit too high:

At least half of American women will experience an unintended pregnancy by age 45, and, at current rates, about one-third will have had an abortion

As a rough calculation, 1/3 of half the women would be about 17%, which seems more reasonable to me.

Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States
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Old 02-09-2008, 11:35 PM
 
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All that remains is to take away the protectionist umbrella mandated by the masses of uneducated people that we currently call pro abortionist and require the woman to do her part for her invlovement in that irresponsibility.
There is nothing irresponsible about having sex. It otherwise does not matter one jot or one iota how a women may have come to be pregnant. If prior to viability, she decides that she no longer wishes to be pregnant, she has a Constitutional right to terminate the pregnancy. No one has any right to compel women to bear children against their wishes.
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Old 02-09-2008, 11:43 PM
 
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It's just always much easier to judge others. One of those do as I say but not as I do cases, I guess.
Agreed! Many people simply choose to deal with their personal stereotypes on this issue and block out all of the actual facts. Facts can sometimes be very difficult things to deal with. Easier just to stay away from any sort of messy situation like that...
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Old 02-09-2008, 11:52 PM
 
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At least half of American women will experience an unintended pregnancy by age 45, and, at current rates, about one-third will have had an abortion

As a rough calculation, 1/3 of half the women would be about 17%, which seems more reasonable to me.
Read it again. It isn't one-third of half. It's one-third of all, or about 33%. The statement appears several times elsewhere on the AGI site in a clearer context, e.g., At current rates, about one in three American women will have had an abortion by the time she reaches age 45.
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Old 02-09-2008, 11:53 PM
 
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Yes. I wonder how many would be "anti choice" if their 13 year old daughter came home pregnant. Not that I would expect any of them to be honest about this...
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Old 02-09-2008, 11:55 PM
 
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Yes. I wonder how many would be "anti choice" if their 13 year old daughter came home pregnant. Not that I would expect any of them to be honest about this...
I'm afraid that some would beat the living crap out of said 13-year old daughter. Not that I would expect any of them to be honest about that either...
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