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Are they going to kill themselves because the PC society lied to them?
I will give you this. In the media and entertainment industry, LGBT acceptance is far, far ahead of where it is in many places in the U.S., especially Oklahoma. In the movies, you don't see people coming out of the closet and then having their family try to assault them, calling them f-ggot and that they aren't fit to live, and that they wish you'd never been born, and then disowning them and behaving as if that person never existed. The next day, they don't lose their job because their employer hates f-gs and has a policy that if he ever found out one of his employees was gay, he would fire them on the spot. They don't show the fact that most of their friends will turn against them and people they don't know will be screaming f-g, abomination, you're going to hell, etc, etc to them just for existing. Then, he gets back to his car and all the windows are smashed in and the door is keyed. Yeah, that side of homosexual life in the Bible Belt isn't shown in Hollywood. It's very real though and is one of the factors that leads so many gay youth to suicide.
Why all the hate though? Because 6 verses in a book out of 31,102 say that it is wrong. Isn't that a little ridiculous?
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Can't the Right give it up? Gay marriage is the law of the land, why are they continuing to fight this?
And, for supposed freedom loving people, they sure like to tell other people what is "natural" for them to do.
That is what this is all about.
The ultra-conservative homophobic crowd is so angry about gay marriage being legalized and want to express their rage by passing these kinds of nonsense bills.
Remember what happened in Indiana last year?
I am certain even if it passed it would be ruled unconstitutional. It's just a symbolic show of hatred against the LGBT community. It will fail.
It'a about referrals. Y'know, you go see the counselor/teacher etc. with a problem. Counselor/teacher/trusted adult says "Whoah, more than I can handle, let's get you in touch with someone who's better trained, has more experience, better resources for your specific issue." Now, that's a pretty good system. That's a system that reduces suffering, improves the chances for reasonably well-adjusted young adults.
And then a "small-government" Republican tries to make sure that for a specific subset of problems - those having to do with sexuality - this simple helpful act should be outlawed.
I see that as pretty much indefensible.
Well Y'know a school should not need to refer anyone, that is the parents job. The school has counselors, if it needs to go beyond that then refer it to the parents because it is their job to raise their children. School counselors should be there to counsel kids on school/career decisions not mental problems that is a parents job.
Why did they toss his ass again?
Must have been some bad choices and someone was trying to convince him outside his home, they were normal, he was born like that and could not help it.
When it was his choice to go down that road, cause they were doing it too.
Evil comes in many forms.
The consequences of that evil, can be overwhelming for some.
Your boy friend ever thought about taking the cowards way out of his self imposed misery?
Actually, no. He never considered suicide.
He's in a university right now. His grade point average is 3.5 or so, so he's doing quite well. He's got his whole life ahead of him.
I'm curious, are you saying being gay warrants parents to throw out their 15 year olds? Is that what the bible teaches?
We can debate innate-vs-learned behavior, morality (god-given or otherwise), or whether there should be no counseling at all. Fine.
Let's just look at the facts:
Troubled kids seek out counselors or other trusted adults.
The particularly do so if the feel they can't talk to their parents.
Counselors assist in getting more qualified help.
This is a good system, because it helps kids. That's not really a difficult moral dilemma - you have a troubled kid, you get the kid some help. Not a hard decision, really. I am actually fairly certain the Jewsih Carpenter would agree.
Enter Sally Kern and her twisted moral concepts. Now, you get the kid some help - except in the specific case where the kid has had the nerve to raise a question regarding sexuality. In that case: No help for you! - take your identity issues, your depression, your confusion, your possible suicidal thoughts and deal with them yourself!
Well Y'know a school should not need to refer anyone, that is the parents job. The school has counselors, if it needs to go beyond that then refer it to the parents because it is their job to raise their children. School counselors should be there to counsel kids on school/career decisions not mental problems that is a parents job.
And if the teens don't feel they can go to their parents? Sucks to be them, I guess. The fact of the matter is, there is a system for counseling and referrals already in place, and HB 1599 doesn't suggest to do away with that. Just the bit that has to do with sexuality. Because Sally Kern has an untreated psychosis about gay people.
I will give you this. In the media and entertainment industry, LGBT acceptance is far, far ahead of where it is in many places in the U.S., especially Oklahoma. In the movies, you don't see people coming out of the closet and then having their family try to assault them, calling them f-ggot and that they aren't fit to live, and that they wish you'd never been born, and then disowning them and behaving as if that person never existed. The next day, they don't lose their job because their employer hates f-gs and has a policy that if he ever found out one of his employees was gay, he would fire them on the spot. They don't show the fact that most of their friends will turn against them and people they don't know will be screaming f-g, abomination, you're going to hell, etc, etc to them just for existing. Then, he gets back to his car and all the windows are smashed in and the door is keyed. Yeah, that side of homosexual life in the Bible Belt isn't shown in Hollywood. It's very real though and is one of the factors that leads so many gay youth to suicide.
Why all the hate though? Because 6 verses in a book out of 31,102 say that it is wrong. Isn't that a little ridiculous?
Life isn't daycare.
You knew what was in store when the choice was made.
Or are you're mad at Hollywood for lying to you, that everyone accepts it and you would not be laughed at and ridiculed by the majority of straight people.
The fantasy world, is much different than the big bad world of reality. It causes the weak & the freaks to be culled from society. And in the case of this thread topic, by their own doing, from shame.
You knew what was in store when the choice was made.
Or are you're mad at Hollywood for lying to you, that everyone accepts it and you would not be laughed at and ridiculed by the majority of straight people.
Well it isn't quite as bad outside of the Bible Belt, and in large cities other than Oklahoma City, but regardless, are 6 verses out of 30,000 really justification for treating people with such hate and contempt? Think about it. Homosexuality doesn't affect you are anyone other than the people in the relationship. It isn't murder, rape, or pedophilia. It is consensual and affects nobody. What about the love and compassion message Jesus taught?
Inborn characteristics aren't dictated exclusively by the genetic material handed down by the parents. Conditions in the womb play a huge role.
You seem to be operating under the assumption that sexuality - which is a colossally complex thing - is managed by an on/off switch in the gene string. There is absolutely no evidence to support that.
Epigenetics is the science of how cells read genes, rather than of the genes themselves. In other words, individuals with identical DNA may still develop quite differently, dependent on environmental influences. It's not as simple as "this gene does X, X is good, gets selected for" - that's a simplification, a beneficial lie we tell schoolchildren. It's more a case of "These 200 genes combine to influence half a dozen traits", and external influence can - does - change how this expresses itself. A given genotype may come with an 85% chance of strong preference for heterosexuality, and if that is good enough (evolution is always fine with good enough), it will be propagated. Influences in the womb may or may not put you in those 85%.
As it turns out, gender preference in sexuality seems to a sliding scale, with most people falling somewhere on the spectrum, not 100% in either camp. Of course, if you also want the safety and comfort of monogamy, you will have to select a partner of a specific gender.
Then there's kin selection. Even if you don't breed yourself, your brothers, cousins and nephews/nieces share your genetic material. In an extended family group, having non-breeding individuals who can assist in keeping the kids safe until their teens is certainly not a disadvantage.
It's mostly speculation, anyway.
The facts are simple: Gay teens exist, despicable people go out of their way to make them miserable, and trying to keep them from getting some sort of help qualifies as evil in my book. Fittingly, the bill is one of Sally Kern's - a particularly vile, bigoted individual, who considers gays a worse threat than terrorists.
Yes, and with selective breeding, the bad gene you don't want eventually gets eliminated.
Research, how dog breeds were created. Gays are not part of the breeding class, to pass the bad "Gay gene".... That does not exist in the first place.
The gay life is a choice an individual makes, after experimentation and what blows their load the easiest.
If people are considering suicide because they think that they are *****, shouldn't that tell us that there is something unnatural with homosexuality?
(why can't I use a 5 letter word that starts with q, ends with r and includes double e's?)
No wonder these kids are screwed up.
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