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Old 02-01-2016, 10:17 AM
 
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Puerto Rico Paid More Federal Taxes than Six States - Puerto Rico Report
Puerto Rico pays more Federal taxes than Montana, North Dakota, Alaska, South Dakota, Wyoming, and Vermont.
Puerto Rico may have paid more in federal taxes than those states, but it also got more in terms of Federal spending.

Puerto Rico, in FY2010, paid $73.3b in taxes, yes. But then it got $256.1b in federal spending during that period, which yields a net transfer of $182 billion.

As a share of its economy, Puerto Rico relies more heavily on the U.S. government than any U.S. state. Which is why it is listed at the bottom of the list in the Economist.
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Old 02-01-2016, 05:07 PM
 
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The subject of whether or not Puerto Ricans are white is boring and off-topic. Can we focus on the original topic, which was whether or not Puerto Rico has sovereignty?
This is just the latest of about a hundred years of cases over Puerto Rican sovereignty and/or political representation in the U.S.

We can end this nonsense and clear up any ambiguity immediately if we simply grant them their independence. Then there would be no question about their sovereignty. They would finally be a real country.

There are people in PR today burning American flags and spitting on the ashes.

Look at this independence rally:


Look at them cursing the name of the Nation that supports their families, the hand that pays for the foodstamps that feed them.

Isn't it time we simply let go of the refuse of the Spanish American war? They can be as sovereign as they want, and we can let Puerto Rico's problems be Puerto Rico's problems.
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Old 02-01-2016, 05:25 PM
 
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This is just the latest of about a hundred years of cases over Puerto Rican sovereignty and/or political representation in the U.S.

We can end this nonsense and clear up any ambiguity immediately if we simply grant them their independence. Then there would be no question about their sovereignty. They would finally be a real country.

There are people in PR today burning American flags and spitting on the ashes.

Look at this independence rally:


Look at them cursing the name of the Nation that supports their families, the hand that pays for the foodstamps that feed them.

Isn't it time we simply let go of the refuse of the Spanish American war? They can be as sovereign as they want, and we can let Puerto Rico's problems be Puerto Rico's problems.
What percentage of the Puerto Rican population want independence?
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Old 02-01-2016, 05:57 PM
 
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the Federal government played a large role in screwing up Puerto Rico.
We did not screw up Puerto Rico. They have always benefitted from their relationship with the U.S, and have a higher standard of living than any independent carribean nation.

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The people there seem to finally be saying they are Americans
No they don't.

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Grant them statehood and over time I personally believe their state will correct itself.
If we do that, it would be called "American Imperialism".
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Old 02-01-2016, 06:31 PM
 
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This is just the latest of about a hundred years of cases over Puerto Rican sovereignty and/or political representation in the U.S.

We can end this nonsense and clear up any ambiguity immediately if we simply grant them their independence. Then there would be no question about their sovereignty. They would finally be a real country.

There are people in PR today burning American flags and spitting on the ashes.

Look at this independence rally:


Look at them cursing the name of the Nation that supports their families, the hand that pays for the foodstamps that feed them.

Isn't it time we simply let go of the refuse of the Spanish American war? They can be as sovereign as they want, and we can let Puerto Rico's problems be Puerto Rico's problems.
So basically Puerto Rico should become independent even though 95% of Puerto Ricans do not want independence? You are aware of this right?

Using that logic how about we just declare Jeb Bush the next president?
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Old 02-01-2016, 06:58 PM
 
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So basically Puerto Rico should become independent even though 95% of Puerto Ricans do not want independence? You are aware of this right?

Using that logic how about we just declare Jeb Bush the next president?
Don't you want Puerto Rico to be sovereign?

If so, what do you think is the best way for PR to be self-governing?
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Old 02-01-2016, 07:16 PM
 
Location: honolulu
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Supreme Court Could Decide Political Fate Of 3.5 Million Puerto Ricans

I find this fascinating. Dudes convicted of a crime by the federal government. Puerto Rico then moves to file its own charges against the men. The men argue that this constitutes double jeopardy, as Puerto Rico does not have sovereignty. The 50 states are recognized by the federal government as "dual sovereigns" because they derive their power from the constitution. But Puerto Rico derives its power by statute, so the men are arguing that it does not have sovereignty separate from the federal government.

The interesting thing to me is that the Puerto Rico Supreme Court agreed with the two men, which is what sent the case to the Supreme Court. The executive branch of Puerto Rico seems to be trying to maintain the status quo on the island, while the judiciary clearly finds Puerto Rico's limbo to be intolerable.

Anyway, I think it's interesting. There are 3.5 million US citizens living in Puerto Rico, yet the media tend to treat Puerto Rico as if it were a foreign country. It is strange that you don't see more of a push in the American media to settle the political status of 3.5 million Americans once and for all.
where do you get 50 states from??? seems... well,


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The indigenous peoples of Alaska and Hawaii appealed to the international community through the United Nations with a request to ensure their right to self-determination. The letter was circulated in Geneva.

In the address, the representatives of the peoples of Alaska and Hawaii urged UN members to raise the issue on May 11th in the framework of the consideration of the UN Council on Human Rights of the periodic review of the human rights and freedoms in the United States, according to TASS.

The appeal emphasizes that the sale of Russian Alaska to the United States in 1867 did "not mean the transfer of sovereignty over Alaska to the United States" and the "US invasion of Hawaii in 1893 was a violation of bilateral treaties and international law."

"The territory of Alaska and Hawaii in 1959 were absorbed by the United States through deception and deliberate breaches of the mandate and UN principles, and the process of self-determination", - stated the document.
Alaska and Hawaii Ask UN to Recognize U.S as Occupiers - Fort Russ
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Old 02-01-2016, 07:17 PM
 
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Don't you want Puerto Rico to be sovereign?

If so, what do you think is the best way for PR to be self-governing?
Sovereignty yes, sovereignty as in statehood.

The people of Puerto Rico will choose their destiny ... and isent going to be independence. We are going to have to accept this reality.
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Old 02-02-2016, 09:39 AM
 
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So basically Puerto Rico should become independent even though 95% of Puerto Ricans do not want independence?
Yes. They enjoy a highly-subsidized status, and are totally ungrateful for it. If we grant them statehood it can only get worse.

America should cut them loose whether they like it or not.
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Old 02-02-2016, 02:28 PM
 
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Yes. They enjoy a highly-subsidized status, and are totally ungrateful for it. If we grant them statehood it can only get worse.

America should cut them loose whether they like it or not.

I couldn't agree more.
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