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How do you pay for our current expenditures in Iraq?
Just for the record.... Almost all the expenditures "in" Iraq are not "in" Iraq, but rather for tools, weapons, and wages right here in the good Ol' USA. I am absolutely certain that 1000's of the anti-war crowd would be agast with the fact that their personal occupation is on 2 or 3 degrees removed from the "war". For those who don't get it, that means while a protestor may be screaming about the cost of the war, their own personal income is based on people working at a defense plant next door, or just down the road.
Funny thing... liberals want to put tax dollars back into the economy by government choice, not by investor decision.
Just for the record.... Almost all the expenditures "in" Iraq are not "in" Iraq, but rather for tools, weapons, and wages right here in the good Ol' USA. I am absolutely certain that 1000's of the anti-war crowd would be agast with the fact that their personal occupation is on 2 or 3 degrees removed from the "war". For those who don't get it, that means while a protestor may be screaming about the cost of the war, their own personal income is based on people working at a defense plant next door, or just down the road.
Funny thing... liberals want to put tax dollars back into the economy by government choice, not by investor decision.
This argument is laughable... really. Imagine the number of jobs we could create if the government chose to ban the use of oil and the government funded the innovation of nuclear, solar, wind, and wave power. Or imagine the boon to the accounting industry if the government required every family to hire an auditor to assess the family budget and force them to comply with draconian regulations. I could come up with a hundred more ways that the government could do to spend our money that someone could twist into the form of creating economic growth, but it's a perverse idea.
Don't assume liberals are opposed to the war and feel spending is out of control... it's people who have a grasp on the state of our economy and how our foreign policy can bring this country to ruins. I love how in one argument I'm painted as an ultra-rightwing conservative because I don't believe in wealth redistribution, yet in the other I am a communist liberal because I think the wars we have created are milking us dry. The partisan politics would be hilarious if they weren't so damaging to this country.
I am independent-leaning democrat, who loves CATO and hates Heritage foundations. The goverment has increased in last 50 years under bush faster than anyone(he even beats LBJ in most of the areas). Only the social conservative and foreign policy crazy-intervention-all-the-time crowd like him.
I don't want any democrat spending increase but I also don't want more tax cuts and defense spending increase at the same time, which only increases the debt!(supply side doesn't work). We need to cut spending(defense and non-defense) and maybe increase income tax to cut this debt.
So let me ask you this what do you think about all of Hillary Clintons earmarks?
This argument is laughable... really. Imagine the number of jobs we could create if the government chose to ban the use of oil and the government funded the innovation of nuclear, solar, wind, and wave power. Or imagine the boon to the accounting industry if the government required every family to hire an auditor to assess the family budget and force them to comply with draconian regulations. I could come up with a hundred more ways that the government could do to spend our money that someone could twist into the form of creating economic growth, but it's a perverse idea.
Don't assume liberals are opposed to the war and feel spending is out of control... it's people who have a grasp on the state of our economy and how our foreign policy can bring this country to ruins. I love how in one argument I'm painted as an ultra-rightwing conservative because I don't believe in wealth redistribution, yet in the other I am a communist liberal because I think the wars we have created are milking us dry. The partisan politics would be hilarious if they weren't so damaging to this country.
HA HA! I am laughing. You couldn't even respond with a point-counter point approach. Since FDR's new deal, the entire US economy has been formulated around some form of socialism. We can go extreme and include the military industrial complex. This means that real war can often be disguised by phoney war. You may call Iraq either real or phoney... my point was only to point that very little of the cost of the Iraqi war leaves the US coast.
I noticed that no one has answered the original question. Perhaps that's because the Democrats can't pay for all their little presents without raising the middle class taxpayers taxes. That's not the answer liberals are looking for but it is realistic.
Yeah, I'm all for putting all my social worker friends out of work.
The amount of tax money saved by not paying these "federal" wages, would be such a fiancial boost to the economy, that it'll make the current $150B welfare handout (i.e. Current economy check rebate bill) seem like Ron Paul actually has a chance at winning the presidency.
HA HA! I am laughing. You couldn't even respond with a point-counter point approach. Since FDR's new deal, the entire US economy has been formulated around some form of socialism. We can go extreme and include the military industrial complex. This means that real war can often be disguised by phoney war. You may call Iraq either real or phoney... my point was only to point that very little of the cost of the Iraqi war leaves the US coast.
We're rebuilding infrastructure in Iraq that we destroyed. Sure we're using our contractors and our equipment, but that's hardly a justification for the spending. It's wealth redistribution and I don't care if it's from me to a welfare queen or me to the military industrial complex, either way I don't like it.
Just like Bush has passed 1.4 trillions of tax cuts over 10 years, almost 2 trillion defense increase over 15 years and almost 1 /1.5 trillion other non-defense spending increase over 10 to 15 years.
And increase of debt by almost 4 trillion under President Bush 8 years.......... Don't impeach, hang him.
Tax cuts don't cause a deficit; overspending does.
Tax cuts don't cause a deficit; overspending does.
Correct. The fact is the federal government is bringing in more money now then ever in history. Its the spending thats killing the budget. Ironically, the medicare/medicade changes, the perscription costs as just an example.
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